Statements Only Represent Existence

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Collision, Dec 23, 2004.

  1. Collision Registered Senior Member

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    All statements represent things that are physical.

    All those who disagree, try to make one statement that is outside things that are physical. Then make a succinct formal argument proving why it represents something that is non-physical.

    I will, or anyone who can, will then prove you wrong with a formal logic argument.

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    Please make the argument formal.

    For example,

    I love cookies.
    Cookies are pastries.
    Therefore, I love at least one kind of pastry.
     
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  3. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    I love cookies.
    Cookies are pastries.
    Pastries are figments of my imagination.
    My imagination is non-corporeal.
    Therefore, so are pastries.
    (I love the immaterial)
     
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  7. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    All statements represent things that are physical.
    The above is a statement.
    It represents a concept
    Concepts are not physical
    Therefore the above statement is false
     
  8. Collision Registered Senior Member

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    All events of the consciousness have the property ‘interaction’.

    All things that have the property ‘interaction’ have the property ‘take up space’.

    All things that ‘take up space’ are physical.

    Concepts are events of the consciousness.

    Therefore, concepts are physical.
     
  9. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    Collision,
    What are 'events of the consciousness'?
    Why do you say these events have the property 'interaction' and what does that mean?
     
  10. wesmorris Nerd Overlord - we(s):1 of N Valued Senior Member

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    What space does beauty require?

    Love?

    What about satisfaction.

    In what space does it exist?

    How about math? Where does math exist?

    I don't see an argument to make.

    It's imaginary. It's an abstract contruct. Abstract constructs are imaginary. Since I can utilize abstract constructs, they are real and not physically based in the sense that you use it. They are physically based in the sense that some chemical conditions in the brain must be reflective of the current state of abstract utilization, but they are not physically based in topic.
     
  11. Collision Registered Senior Member

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    I wanted to make this thread unique to philosophic logic. So, be a sport, use formal argumentation Southstar and wesmorris.

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  12. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    Even 'philosophic logic' argues from explained and stated premises. What use is it to argue against something you don't understand?

     
  13. Collision Registered Senior Member

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    Please, a formal argument. Is this too much to ask?

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  14. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    I don't know what to argue against because you haven't explained yourself.
     
  15. oscarmitre Registered Senior Member

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    You're looking for a syllogism I think. If so then you're looking for informal and not formal logic. Formal logic is composed of all those bloody equations.

    If I'm correct and you're looking for syllogisms then you need to make it clear that the truth of the premises isn't important, that it's the structure of the argument that is at the centre of the inquiry. Major premise, minor premises, conclusion follows from the premises, that sort of thing.

    Socrates was a fish - it can be proven

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  16. Collision Registered Senior Member

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    oscarmitre,

    do you have a syllogism?
     
  17. oscarmitre Registered Senior Member

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    No - too difficult for me given the constraints set

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  18. Gambit Star Universal Entity Registered Senior Member

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    Thought is real
    Physical is conciousness
    Concioussness is thought
    Thought is electricity
    Electricity is real
    Therefore, I have forgotten what my point was and will again, like many others, go of on tangents like the infinte structure of time.
     
  19. Collision Registered Senior Member

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    Nice argument gambit star.
     

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