I bought a book today (actually two), and I am very eager to finish it, I'm on the 4th chapter of this book and I am blindslighted by the horrific relaity of American eugenics. http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/ In the beginning of the book is a touching story about forced sterilization of young boys and girls in Virginia, The eugenticists targeted what is called “white trash” Here is a excerpt from the book about this horrible exercise in American eugenics: If you think that Hitler was the only one who was trying to create a Aryan super race, you have to be either very ignorant or kidding yourself, the concept of the Nordic superior race is a American concept, Hitler liked it and adopted it. Untold thousands of Americans legally under government sanction were forcibly sterilized without their consent, to rid the United States of the Unfit. This promises to be a book that I will never forget, and I hope you get it as well to expose the sordid history of American/Germanic eugenics.
It is, no doubt, an unfortunate and ugly part of American histoy, but where do you make the link that Hitler was "inspired" by these events? :m: Peace.
his motivation was: if the americans can do it then why coudnt he?, the americans were trying to save money, hitler believed he was trying to save his country
I wonder if it would seem so "unfortunate" and "ugly" if hitler never was inspired by them? I mean if hitler didn't slap a copyright on "eugenics", would the fact that woodrow wilson (et al) endorsed selectively breeding humans be so dispicable? It's funny how it is considered unethical to randomly breed dogs. And I'm not just talking about the crazy show dog world, not just talking about recognised breeds. It's unanimous across humanity that breeding any old dog to any other is irresponsible and unethical. Both parents need to be exceptional in some way, depending on the purpose of the line of dog. Great seeing-eye dogs, great guard dogs, great boar hunters, whatever. This is just an unwritten law with dog breeding. You don't throw a couple of lazy house dogs together, you'll be berated visciously and considered a stain on society. The word will spread around that you're the kind of person that would let untested, unproven, inadequate dogs mate and you'll be shunned from the dog community and blacklisted. "Backyard breeders" are the hitlers of the dog world, for being the exact opposite of hitler. The future of dogs is taken very seriously. We don't seem to care so much about the future of humanity. Apparently it's no where near as important. Not only that it's like it's somehow important that particularly poor specimens are bred. It's a sin to strive for better people. I don't know, it's all very contradictory.
so , dr lou natic, you are agreeing with eugenics? cause dog breeders are breeding 'better' dogs...so why not 'better' people? Are YOU one of them--a better-person? or do you think you should be forcibly sterilized? which is it!? and WHO are you or anyone else to say who is 'better'? What does it mean 'better'? rich of poor? isn't it usually the poor who get these fascist moves pulled on them? Cause they dont have the power to sue the arses off of the fukin fukers who come round rounding them up you reaLLY SHOULD LOOK DEEPER INTO THIS MY LOU NATIC. and as for dogs. i am aware that real in-bred dogs can be very highly strung. and other types have various troubles. for example the Bull dog has troubly breathing....etc etc seeming to me more and more that the more shit man tries to make 'better' the more TOXIC everything gets!
The medical profession in Nazi Germany I think informed Hitler of eugenics and they willingly and enthusiastically joined in the racial cleansing. That they did borrow from the US and UK eugenics movement is I think beyond dispute. Earnest Hooton, an American criminologist, published on eugenics. Anyway here is a link that may help http://www.ushmm.org/research/library/bibliography/racial/right.htm
also, another important thing i forgot to add. it wasn't a wholly American invention, this idea of 'superior and inferior' people, races. You have to research about the secret elitist club, of which all the 3 generations of Bushs' have/are members of, AND Kerry, and most of the rich and powerful people are connected with--named Skull&Bones. The German nazi version--one of its names being The Thule Society (members of the Nazi SS had the skull and bones symbol on their uniform When you study abou these related clubs, you see that it was Theosophy which gave them the roots of their evil dogma. For as with Madama Blavatsky's book 'The Secret Doctrine', it is all about supposed lost civilizations of master races, superior races, inferior races, root races, mystical masters, etc etc. This shit is where they get got their justifications for the evil they do!...check it out for yourself
Eugenics came in various varieties: Francis Galton was the inventor of the word. Vslayer is mistaken in saying that Hitler was inspired by US eugenics, except for the comparatively small-scale murder of mentally ill and disabled people and the gypsies. The antisemitism which inspired the extermination of the jews was inspired by a variety of motives, but one aspect was a belief that the jews were in many ways superior to other humans. Eugenics was a fairly common phenomenon- Darwin himself wasn't a eugenecist, but many of his later followers were. There were also socialist eugenecists: H G Wells, Bernard Shaw, J B S Haldane are obvious examples.
where DO you get your info from mate? If Hitler and his henchmen had thought the Jews so superior, why is it they propaganderized them as sub-human and as rats? OBVIOUSLY you aren't very familiar with the Nazi mythology. it was THEMSELVES they considered the superrace. ....obviously...sheeeesh
You have no idea my simple little friend. Thats because it began being bred for arbitrary traits, to look a certain way rather than to serve a purpose. Originally bulldogs were bred for their ability to pin bulls by the nose. Period. I can assure you no bulldogs in the 16th century had trouble breathing, quite the contrary, they had exceptional stamina with the heart and lungs to endure excessive stress for long periods of time. They were actually amazing creatures, and this was due to strict functional selective breeding. The bulls were doing the breeding by slaughtering thousands of inadequate individuals. If we had some idiot from the akc in charge of breeding humans I'm sure we'd run into the same problems many of the pure breeds of dog suffer from today. Ofcourse, even this wouldn't necessarrily be worse than what we have now, there are people who can't breathe properly you know, if we wish to shine the tip of the "shouldn't be" iceberg. There's no rule saying eugenics must work in such a way that a person chooses who they want to breed. I agree we've proven through history that no one is up to that task. People could be tested by the real demands of succeeding as a human being. Hell we could avoid extreme dysgenics (ie what we are experiencing now) by simply not helping everyone. That could be a start. Letting people get taken out to sea by riptides for example. I don't think we need lifeguards. Our whole society is geared towards keeping every little mutant that every worthless coupling produces alive and well at all costs. I don't see the long term goal of this bizarre strategy. Humans have actually accomplished amazing things with selective breeding through history. Modern humans with your relaxed mindset are what destroyed the breeds of dog. Today's bulldog is a product of dygenics just like we are. I never said any old selective breeding is good. There are still dogs bred well to serve a purpose by traditional methods. And no they don't suffer health problems, they tend to excell at what they're bred for to a degree that no human excells at anything. They're perfect machines. The pre-requisite to good breeding is a hell of alot of death. Breeders of show dogs became too good at keeping dogs alive and their selecting for certain things didn't take other things into consideration. The old bulldogs were bred specifically to breathe well. Not by any man's decision but by the demands of their task. It became unecessarry for them to breathe so good in order to win a dog show and the desired phenotype inhibitted breathing so it went down hill. Think of every person modern society keeps alive that would die if it wasn't looked after so fervently. It's a mind boggling prospect. We're in effect breeding for all these horrible deformities and inadequacies by not culling them out of our genepool. Or more accurately by not allowing them to be naturally culled out of our genepool. It's not even a matter of me trying to create some sterilisation clinic where I give a thumbs up or down for everyone that comes in. I'm condemming dysgenics rather than endorsing eugenics. I want people to be allowed to prove they deserve to breed, and for those that don't fit that bill to be allowed to go out with some dignity for the good of humanity. There's nothing outlandish about my thoughts, I want to push the dirty couch off of the humanity train's tracks and let it run. I'm not the one proposing the unnatural interference. The unnatural interence is there and I want to be rid of it. I want to find out. If I'm not, fuck sterilisation, I want to die. You might think I'm lieing, and in a way it is misleading how I put that. I don't "want" to die. I want it to be such that I will die against my will if I fail to meet the demands of succeeding as a person. If it came down to it I'd still struggle against whatever was killing me and try not to die. I might even scream. But it's irrelevent what the stupid animal-me wants or doesn't want. It mostly wants a soft bed and orgasms and food and doesn't want to be hurt or killed etc. It's a simple organism who's desires shouldn't be taken too seriously in the big scheme of things. There are things far more important than any persons pussy feelings. Right now society has people's pussy feelings as the top priority. It's embarrassingly juvenile.
Take a look at nazi and other antisemitic characterisations of the jews: they attributed superhuman abilities of cunning, organisation, long-term planning, intelligence, racial loyalty and other qualities to them. Certainly, the nazis thought they had many other evil qualities, but the reason they thought the jews a dangerous enemy in a way that the other sub-human races like slavs, blacks, the Chinese etc were not was because they had these good qualities. In the view of the nazis the jews used these qualities to obtain domination of the world by the jews, when- obviously- it ought to be the truly wonderful aryans who did so. The qualities the nazis aspired to possess as servants of the aryan race were precisely the ones they attributed to the jews as enemies of it.
of course i am aware where you are getting at. that any 'in group' secretly FEARs an 'out group' for the latte's potential power. that what we may CONSCIUOSLY do, will also have unconscious motives. of COURSE. but also you have lo look at their mythology. i keep saying this cause it is EXTREMEly important to checkout the stories we tell ourselves, cause its those that fuel the vision. like said, for the Nazis, as it is for the '4th reich' the 'Nw American Century' is is based on Theosphy. Theosphy is based on a mish mash of Eastern esotericism, and patriarchal pagan northern mythology. you can put it all under the head category of PATRIARCHY. the FEAR of the dark, which includes women, and dark skinned people. the belief that some will be saved and others damned. the deification of the 'light'...and the concept of a supreme MALE superintelligence' that is superior to Nature.
i watched a movie called battle royale last night, i believe that the concept behind it is a good one, survival of the fittest/smartest/most co-opeerative. basically, they got a class of highschool kids, stuck them on an island and gave them guns and forced them to kill each other
It is, no doubt, an unfortunate and ugly part of American histoy, but where do you make the link that Hitler was "inspired" by these events? I haven't gotten that far in the book yet but it is certain that the Nazi regime was propped up by American eugenics: These eugenicists range with VERY prominent names in America, from Theodore Roosevelt who said : Very important Americans supported this idea, from Roosevelt, steel magnate Andrew Carnegie who funded much of the Eugenic studies, the Rockefellers, the Kellogg family (you know Kellogg corn flakes…), according to John D. Rockefeller: About Jews…they were in no way considered superior by anyone in the Eugenics movement (although I feel there may be a Zionist eugenic movement), Mr. Davenport the main eugenicist “intellectual” wrote about Jews in the following from his book: Another shocking American celebrity of history that shocked me which was a MAJOR eugenicist was Margaret Sanger, who is known as the pre-eminent Feminist, Birth Control was a mechanism to control the inferior races, as Ms.Sanger stated about the much hated idea of Philanthropy: Everything from the IQ test, to the SAT’s are eugenic inventions that are subjective, and as a result prejudice against non-“Nordic” people’s, and these are still used today. IQ tests were used to determine if one was “feebleminded” and thus could be sterilized. The shocking quotes from this book from Americans…not Nazi’s can change one’s perception of the United States. Ladies and Gentlemen the Holocaust started on Long Island, and only ended in Auschwitz.
The Eugenics movement wasn't only in the USA. Its founder, Francis Galton, was a cousin of Darwin.There were many rhetorical followers, including Churchill, but most of them had merely heard the rhetoric and did not try to pass laws putting it into practise. Besides some US states the only place where compulsory sterilisation was legally practised, I think, was social democratic Sweden. Certainly the US eugenecists thought jews were inferior. They thought everyone except old-fashioned yankees was inferior. [The fact that they were- for the most part- of old-fashion yankee descent themselves did not make them suspect they might be biased] However, compare the opinions of "the jews" expressed by eugenecists and nazis and you will see that they are using completely different ways of thinking- if thinking is the right word. Exterminatory antisemitism, and the belief in jewish conspiracies trying to control the world are completely separate from eugenics and have a different history. See Poliakoff's History of Antisemitism and Cohn's Warrant for Genocide for some on the latter. For eugenics Lewontin [ed] Not in our Genes and Gould: The Mismeasure of Man are equally hostile but more reasoned.
Eugenics is a great idea. I don't trust a neurotic modern state to apply it, however, so suggest a return to feudal times. The "Holocaust" was a political means of removing foreign DNA from the soil - and it worked. I advise everyone not to cry for dead religious fanatics Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! which you have to be to believe in a religion as idiotic as Christianity or Judaism.
First of all, putting Nordic in quotes suggests you are stupid and do not recognize the existence of the Nordic ethnocultural group. Next, America was a predominantly Nordic society at the time; why shouldn't they bias their tests toward Nordics? They want more of them; other types of people have other parts of the world. Finally, to those who are so unresearched they question Hitler's connection to America, does the name Madison Grant ring a bell? If not, you're stupid for not doing your basic research - shoot yourself in the face; it's eugenic. :m:
You forgot to mention that every successful Indo-European society ever has had some form of strict eugenics, including the ancient Greeks, Indians, Romans, Macedonians, and early Caucasian tribes. What's so horribly offensive about sterilizing and killing less important people? I don't know if you actually work for a living, or interact with society outside the suburbs, but there's a horde of useless idiots out there that we could do without. Unless you're one of them, in which -- you might feel differently! (LOL) :m:
DNA is a chemical structure. It is identical in every living creature, so it cannot be "foreign". Nor does it exist- except in living creatures- in the soil. As everyone in Germany had migrated from elsewhere, they were all equally foreign. The nazis murdered people because of their ancestry, not because of their beliefs. The nazis' own beliefs were even more absurd, vile and stupid than traditional religions, and they didn't have the excuses of habit or tradition to justify following them. If the US eugenecists had had the courage to say they were biassed to people like themselves, that would be another matter. They did not. They said- and probably believed- that they were scientific and logical. They weren't. In so far as the USA was "nordic" at all it was because it exterminated other people. I take it you wouldn't object if immigrants murdered the "nords" to replace them.
