What will Christians do when their religion dies?

HAH jeeeezus ...you are sumthin else aren't you

 

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Me you an the average citizen arent evil......but our foreign policies could easily be seen as evil by someone living under a repressive regime supported by the US.....ask a Iraqi living under Sadaam prior to 1990 if the US was evil for supporting him(especally one that was gassed by US posion he was given)

 

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Just because it's a moral action doesn't make it a holy war. Hitler was evil... is that a religious statement? I'm not saying saddam is hitler. I'm saying that you can fight against evil without things getting religious.

There has been no offical statement declaring the war illegal to my knowledge. Until such time the claim is meaningless.

of course... I don't recognize the UN's right to declare such things to begin with... but that's just me.

We got offical sanction by the UN to invade the first time... and BOTH Saddam and Osama (if captured alive) will have their day in court.

Love and Peace, Karmashock.

 

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whateverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

I see how you skipped over how Bush said that "God told him to attack
Saddam"

Psssttt........Hitler was a Christian(so it isnt just radical Islam)

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Back in 1990? I thought you didnt recognize the U.N.....maybe you just recognize what suits you to do so.....that sounds about like a Bushie

 

You can't see all US actions as by the Same group or ideology.

The US is changing. In the past we allied with nations. These two wars were about allying with people. That is the new doctrine. It will take us a generation to get out of the mess Kissinger put us in...

But we will be a moral nation again.
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I thought I addressed that. It doesn't make it a religious war. Look at the people behind Bush that pushed this thing. Do they strike you as deeply religious people? They aren't. When Bush says "God", its just his way of saying he thinks he's on the side of right.

No he wasn't. He believed in mystism or was an atheist. He was anti Christian if anything.

If that's the best you've got, then it's rather obvious why the US and UK have ignored the statement as baseless.

The UN doesn't mean much to me. However, I assumed it meant something to you. So if you support the UN, then you will recognize that that war was legal and an official UN action.

If you don't, then you don't respect them any more then I do.


At least I'm honest about my feels for them. You seem to just support them when they have a beef with the US.

Love and Peace, Karmashock.

 

This probably isn't true.

To avoid confusion, yes, I'm aware that he's made some Christian statements, but these were almost certainly politically minded rather than a sincere reflection of his beliefs.

Anyway, it doens't matter and you shouldn't need to resort to this. A lot of good people were Christians, and a lot of bad people were. Ditto for every religion, or atheism.

 

Karma,


“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”


( Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Ralph Mannheim, ed., New York: Mariner Books, 1999, p. 65. )






“My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago — a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.

“Then indeed when Rome collapsed there were endless streams of new German bands flowing into the Empire from the North; but, if Germany collapses today, who is there to come after us? German blood upon this earth is on the way to gradual exhaustion unless we pull ourselves together and make ourselves free!

“And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exploited.”

( Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Munich, April 12, 1922; from Norman H. Baynes, ed., The Speeches of Adolf Hitler: April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1, New York: Oxford University Press, 1942, pp. 19-20.


I have read his Mein Kampf in the past and he makes many more statements regarding his (or at least his version) Christian feelings

peace to you :m:

 

Indeed I agree....but when statements are made that the only religion that is politcally motivated towards violence is Islam then I feel as if I must set the record straight.Sorry dudes but Hitler is a Christian as much as OBL is a Muslim.......I personally dont think either one is a member of their respective religions.....(actions speak louder than words)I do hope you say the same thing when one uses OBL to represent all of Islam :m:

 

BUSH, HITLER and MYSTICISM And CHRISTIANITY: there seems some confusion here from karmashock regarding how all of that is commensurate with the violent actions those men/tyrants do, so let me explore this to maybe clear things up

all the three generation sof the Bush familiay have been inititated into a secret elite mysical club called the SKULL&BONES .....That club is connected to the one Hitler and the SS were part of which had as one of its names The THULE Society.......the mysticism is similar between them. Bush's granfather made lots of money from Nazism

The DREAMS , MOTIFS, and BELIEFs of those cults and mysticism and Christianity are more or less the same. it is a MOVe towards the 'light' and a retreat from the 'dark. the dark is demonized, and this fear of it also includes fear and superiority regarding non-white people, and WOMEN, and NATURE. they are ANTI-Nature. because their central tenet is a going towars the LIGHT. they thus see Nature in its present state as dark and needing purification

you migh think all this is BS, but i can assure you it's all there to be researched about. and it gives you an insight as to why politics as we know it operates. don't be even fooled when people in power claim they are not religious. for unconsciously all that unreolved shit is workin itself out in their ACTIONS. that;s whay they are so dangerous

 

Another EXTREMELY important thing....all you lot who support that viscious evbil thug, smirkinBUshjunior........talk about selvetive MEMORY. you have selcetive EVERYTHING. you are THe perfect example of the ones who see the naked emperor WITh clothes on!

for a kick off..9/11...i was severly shoked by the horror of that. i was on holiday at the time, in a shack by a beaach. it was SO quite apart from the surf. on a TV i happened to see the news and all that horror was emphasized in such a beautiful place

3000, people, a shock right? well think about how many have been killed in Iraq. MANy more than that including children,and babies, including many having awful awful injuies, and losing limbs etc. how would you have felt if THat had happened in NYC? would you have condoned all out NUCLEAR hiroshoma style reaction.....?

so, anyway. we then see--and i have seen this documented here over and over--Bush tellin the 'folks' he wants bin Laden. well, how comes then he lets all the family LEAVE on the ONLy planes allowed to fly as all others have been grounded?..his familiy also have done BUSINESs with that family...you should study all this. i am not doing the job for you!

the whole thing STINKS to high heaven. and those who cannot see what's going on...i would personally be ashamed to ADMIT it

 

surenderer,

He used it to manipulate the masses, he didn't believe it. THere is a huge difference.

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No, a supreme being could change your results in real time or after your saw something... of course it could wrap you a pocket of other reality that didn't have god in it, but was subject to it.


To be god is be able to do literally anything... including hide its existence if it wishes.

There is NO way to find a supreme being if it doesn't want to be found.

Glad to hear you have some respect for its ablity to have a positive infulence.
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here we go...

this is just stupid conspiracy nonsense... I thought you were going to clarify things... all you're doing is throwing conspiracy mud in the water.

Skull and Bones takes in members of the elite. It's a club for such people... it has no political philosophy beyond that. Boston is known for many such clubs... it doesn't mean anything sinister... if anything such rumors just tickle their egos.

The whole thing is stupid and should be ignored. It's like writing "no girls allowed" on the club house door... that's cool when you're 7 years old because the girls want in and you don't much care for them. Likewise, Skull and bones is gets a kick out of people probing and coming up with stupid theories.

is there a conspiracy theory or kook fantasy that you don't believe in?

aliens (reptilian or otherwise)?
Bigfoot (asian or American variants)?
JFK (other than Oswald)?
Crop circles?
Carlyle group?
Atlantis?
Elvis still alive?
Men in black?
Nostradamus (predicting the future)?

Just give us a yes or no for each… and feel free to add your own.

 

LOL, you are freeking hilarious, a ditto head for sure, you really drink the kool-aid. You know women in Afghanistan still have to wear the burka, and get thrown in jail for running away from home? Do you know the Taliban still exist there? Setting up an election in Iraq is the least we could do after destroying their country and failing to rebuild anything while stealing huge amounts of money from reconstruction funds, and it's in no way a justification for the war. You must like the widespread torture, described by one man as "worse than Saddam", and the impending civil war in Iraq between the Sunnis and Shias. You must love the record national debts that weaken the dollar, the planned rape of Social Security, the corruption of the vote in Ohio and the beginning of the corporate owned ballot box. And you must be crazy about Rumsfeld's new SS force.

 

surenderer,

He used it to manipulate the masses, he didn't believe it. THere is a huge difference.




Hmmm........Hitler's Germany combined state with church. Soldiers of the vermacht wore belt buckles inscribed with the following: "Gott mit uns" (God is with us). His troops were often sprinkled with holy water by the priests. I think he did believe it.


http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

 

karmashock...YOUR tying to make ME look a fool huh?

let me ask you: are YOU a member of the Skull&Bones?

i am guessing you aren't?

Can you thn tell us what you know specifically about their philosophy please?

Listen dude. NEVEr underestimate myths/the stories we tell ourselves.
I mean you DO know that the whole Nazi vision and horrendous behaviour was based on a myth don't you?
So, why then do you presume it ended THERe with that tyrant and the same cant be infecting tyrant Bush? why do you assume that

and another thing about the accusation of being a concpiracy theorist. THat very accusation can stop you exploring about the underlying motives of power-weilders. why? because uhhhh i dont want to look like a wuss and be called a CT is why

but any way. what the f do you know what goes on in the old S&B club dude. it would be REAL fun if you ARe a member cause then i can make some more notes

i await with baited breath

 

And the actual validity of any of the points mentioned in those books is likely to be quite small. In reality, the evidence we have of early Christianity is less than those who were early Christians. So, if the early movement aggressively spread, then it's unlikely for there to be conclusive early evidence disproving Christianity.

And what makes you think that this time is worst than when the vandals and huns were threatning Rome, or when Islam was aggressively spreading, taking over the Holy Land and Spain?

Warfare did exist before Christianity, and unchristians still fight among themselves.

 

okinrus: And the actual validity of any of the points mentioned in those books is likely to be quite small.
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M*W: okie, have you read any of these books? Seems to me that there are more and more referenced writings against Christianity.
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okinrus: In reality, the evidence we have of early Christianity is less than those who were early Christians. So, if the early movement aggressively spread, then it's unlikely for there to be conclusive early evidence disproving Christianity.

And what makes you think that this time is worst than when the vandals and huns were threatning Rome, or when Islam was aggressively spreading, taking over the Holy Land and Spain?
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M*W: Modern scholars as opposed to vandals and huns. I wish for your sake Christianity was true, but I've long known that it was not. I've been a victim, too.

Warfare did exist before Christianity, and unchristians still fight among themselves.[/QUOTE]

 

He used it, he wasn't a Christian.
Review that large selection of quotes I gave you. He had nothing but contempt for Christianity.

Review the other quotes if this isn't enough for you.
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What is their philosophy... and how do you know it? It’s a stupid club for rich bastards and sons of senators. An elitist society that offends me for it’s classiest nature, but there is nothing more to it then that.

You didn't answer my questions about things you believe in.

Repeated:
aliens (reptilian or otherwise)?
Bigfoot (asian or American variants)?
JFK (other than Oswald)?
Crop circles?
Carlyle group?
Atlantis?
Elvis still alive?
Men in black?
Nostradamus (predicting the future)?

Yes or no, please. Seriously... humor me.

I'll answer this after you humor my conspiracy question.
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You don't seem to grasp what a God actually is... It is an absolute being. Nothing is out of it's grasp. If you think you can see it, then you're just being arrogant.

I am not saying there is a god. I am simply saying that if there is a god, it could easily prevent you from finding it - forever.

Therefore it is a matter of faith. You either have it or you don't.


Love and Peace, Karmashock.

 

Yes, I have a history book on the occult. Never could make through it. There's a little basis for a conspiracy view of history. Most events happeneded the way they recorded it, or similar to the way recorded.

Not every modern scholar is anti-christian.

You may know, but you have not shown or proven?

 

What will enforce the eventuation of a religion dying ?

I think any sort of belief or belief system will only progress to our higher self.
Christianity has strong morals that can help just about any civilization have stability in sharing love and prosperity, and that goes for any religion too.

Not being a christian myself, I still believe in the beautiful ideals it beliefs and the wonder man, Jesus, can share.
Implying that Christianity will eventuate into a non-existance assumes that beliefs is pointless and quite rude to the chrisitians that go to church every sunday with an open heart.

Nothing ever dies, it just changes.