Who is your least favourite historical figure and why?

Discussion in 'History' started by jennyRater, Jan 24, 2005.

  1. certified psycho Beware of the Shockie Monkey Registered Senior Member

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    Can I say Mr. Bush reason being he can't run a country and fighting a pointless war for oil.
     
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  3. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    Coconuts do more than hurt. They are positively lethal. As a species, they are more dangerous to humans than lions, tigers or sharks. We all too rarely pause to consider how different a course physics might have taken if Mr Newton had been sitting under a coconut tree.

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  5. jennyRater Luck B me 2nite Registered Senior Member

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    Right.. we might all stil think things moved because of ether pushing them about. could Einstein have come up with what he did ifnot for newton?
     
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  7. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    YES you CAN mate, and i am speakin it out loud and long with you!
     
  8. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    It is true that a lot of Jews were among those who perished - if only because the Revolution consumed so many of its own leaders amid its internal conflicts. One thinks most of all of Trotsky, who more than any other man planned the Revolution, tracked down and murdered by Soviet agents in Mexico in 1940.

    Speaking of Trotsky reminds me of four other things you probably never learned about on the History TV channels:

    1. In his "Memoirs", Aron Simanovich, Rasputin's secretary, attributed these words to Trotsky: "We must turn Russia into a desert populated by white negroes upon whom we shall impose a tyranny such as the most terrible Eastern despots never dreamt of. The only difference is that this will be a left-wing tyranny, not a right-wing tyranny. It will be a red tyranny and not a white one. We mean the word 'red' literally, because we shall shed such floods of blood as will make all the human losses suffered in the capitalist wars quake and pale by comparison. The biggest bankers across the ocean will work in the closest possible contact with us. If we win the revolution, we shall establish the power of Zionism upon the wreckage of the revolution's funeral, and we shall became a power before which the whole world will sink to its knees. We shall show what real power is. By means of terror and bloodbaths, we shall reduce the Russian intelligentsia to a state of complete stupefaction and idiocy and to an animal existence... At the moment, our young men in their leather jackets, who are the sons of watchmakers from Odessa, Orsha, Gomel and Vinnitsa, know how to hate everything Russian! What pleasure they take in physically destroying the Russian intelligentsia - officers, academics and writers!" Whether or not these words were ever uttered, they almost certainly expressed the ambition of many Bolshevik Jews.

    2. The first European genocide of the Twentieth Century was that carried out by the Bolsheviks against the Don Cossacks beginning in 1919. Once a million strong, they may have lost three-quarters of their number, and have effectively ceased to exist as a distinct people, though individual Ukrainians claim Cossack descent.

    3. After the Jewish-led (General Shimon Kirvoshein) Soviet invasion of Poland in September 1939 about one million Poles were rounded up by the Jewish-led NKVD and deported to the Gulags of Kazakhstan and Siberia where a grim fate awaited them.

    4. In July 1941, prior to US entry into WWII, the New York Jew Theodore Kaufman published his blueprint for the Final Solution to the German problem: "Germany Must Perish". The cover bore the slogan, "The book that Hitler Fears". The book proposed the liquidation of the German race through sterilization after their defeat.

    What we should learn from all this is that ethnic conflict has been an age-old story in middle and eastern Europe. It is part of the evolutionary struggle. I am not inclined to look for a least favourite historical figure among those who have participated in it. If we seek true villainy, should we not rather be looking for a TRAITOR, a TURNCOAT or a BETRAYER?
     
  9. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

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    Nixon. I can't stand his type.
     
  10. jennyRater Luck B me 2nite Registered Senior Member

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    Thats 1 reason I asked peopel not to name Hitler as their anti-favorite..

    Turncoats, traitors.. mutineers? Judas Iscarriet? Maybe King John again - he betrayd his father.

    Lee Harvy Oswald - didnt he defect to the russians for a while, before coming home + killing Kennedy?

    Here's more examples:
    http://www.parida.com/ddd1.html

    But how about Fletcher christian? He wasnt a bad man as such. 1 person's traitor is anothers hero, as with terrorists + freedom fighters
     
  11. Ozymandias Unregistered User Registered Senior Member

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    Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, etc., all for the sheer amount of deaths under their reign. Hitler's cruel and systematic extermination was terrifying, but the amount of Jews killed under him pales in comparison to the others.
     
  12. jennyRater Luck B me 2nite Registered Senior Member

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    You think if Hitler had made peace + stayd in power longer, wed all think he wasnt so bad these days?
     
  13. Voldemort Registered Senior Member

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    Did you know that Tamerlane was also known as a Savior of Europe because he defeated Bayazit who was starting the campaign to Europe?
     
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  14. jennyRater Luck B me 2nite Registered Senior Member

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    Never heard of Bayazit, what country was he from? was he a nomad leadr too?
     
  15. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    Hitler made one massive mistake.
    He lost.
    And history is written by the winners!

    Imagine if the Nazis had written the history books. Churchill the drunkard. Roosevelt the cripple. Both of them the tools of Jewish finance. Both tried and hanged for the indiscriminate bombing of German cities, and the British and American nations forever shamed by the tales of death and destruction - the subject of endless movies and TV dramas for sixty years. The benign heroic Uncle Adolf has brought prosperity and ever-lasting peace to a United Europe, freed from the shadow of Bolshevism.
     
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  16. jennyRater Luck B me 2nite Registered Senior Member

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    Might be intersting to read a book like that, just for the irony.. perhpas the neo nazis hav actualy wrote 1?
     
  17. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know of such a book - but "alternative history" is a flourishing subject. I quite expect a fews essays along such lines have been written.

    Len Deighton's "SS-GB" imagines an occupied Britain after a successful Nazi invasion. But it is a thoroughly anti-Nazi book. It is also a VERY GOOD READ! Recommended!
     
  18. Insanely Elite Questions reality. Registered Senior Member

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    A nearly forgotten psychologist named Edison. After studying behaviorism(pre-Skinner) in the beginning of the 1900's, he turned his talents to advertisements making a mint for chesterfield cigarrettes among others. He was the progenator of of the science of the control of human masses behavior. His techniques revolutionized advertizing and propaganda to the detriment of the world.
     
  19. Muhlenberg Registered Senior Member

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    River Ape....pogroms in the Ukaine themselves were revenge for arenda contracts--a joint effort by Polish Catholic nobles and Jews to milk the Urkaine for every cent.
     
  20. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    So to my question: "Or was this Jewish-inspired holocaust against the Ukrainians justified revenge for pogroms in earlier generations?" . . . you answer NO. I answer that justification is an irrelevance.

    In a later post I wrote: "What we should learn from all this is that ethnic conflict has been an age-old story in middle and eastern Europe. It is part of the evolutionary struggle." The survival of the fittest is something above right and wrong. We feel the thirst to avenge the defeat or persecution of our own people. That is good enough. Vengeance lowers itself by making excuses.

    We also learn from history that the ways of the Jew do not change from generation to generation. They deploy their cohorts of wealth; they are cunning; they are relentless. It is a lesson that those they live among do well to learn. At present, the holocaust myth protects them. It is not a myth that perhaps three million Jews perished. The myth is that it was something special.
     
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  21. Muhlenberg Registered Senior Member

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    The problem is many refuse to admit all sides of history. The New York Times still dodges not reporting on the Holodomor. Revolts against the arenda system as often described as pogroms when, in fact, they were more often serf uprisings.
     
  22. jennyRater Luck B me 2nite Registered Senior Member

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    that Jewish faith + practices have stayed so much the same over 1000s of years is something we can all admire, especialy when theyve been picked on by so many peoples from the Egyptains to the neo Nazis.

    Just why have Jews always been so disliked?
     
  23. Muhlenberg Registered Senior Member

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    Because they pick on others just like everybody else does.

    We hear of the explusion from Spain but little of how Jews were working with Moors to overthrown the Christian Crown.

    They picked the wrong side is what occurred. There was no great animus to them. Repeatedly the Crown told them to leave Christians alone. They didn't. The final act was expulsion of Moors and Jews.

    Don't see how that makes them victims. They were combatants who lost.
     

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