Attack of the Clones-will it be a monumental achievement and be regarded as the best Star Wars movie ever or fall below even the horror of The Phantom Menace? DISCUSS!! George Lucas as you may or may not know did not direct the Empire Strikes Back, however that movie is hailed as the best Star Wars film ever and was directed by I believe the man that did "The day the Earth stood still." Lucas has repeatedly said that he is trying to make AOTC like ESB, but the problem is the guy that directed ESB isn't directing it. Rumors? Expectations? Did YOU actually like TPM?
Is it even worth trying to make AOTC like ESB? Wouldnt it be better to try something different? Yeah, Empire Strikes back was cool, but should George Lucas spend so much time copying a former glory? Why not try something a bit different, something that hasnt been done in Star Wars before.
I´m keeping the faith. Trailer was great and the story is strong. I think it could be payback time for the non-believers Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! TPM was just prolouge. Now it´s time for the main feature. Love leading to the darkside... and baby luke born from that doom. Epic stuff Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I am hoping to to be swell. George has to redeem himself, in my eyes. TPM was not what was expected for a star wars movie. It was not, rugged so to say. There was too much glamour, and nice looking ships. one of the things that made the previous movies so cool, was the broken down ships, the feeling that it was all anarchy. Of course, you could interpret that as a result of the crashing republic.. christ.. I am such a nerd...
The problem is that George doesn't realize that he has to redeem himself. He's entirely satisfied with TPM. Good lord, the man is a 60-something child who lives alone on a ranch somewhere. 20 years of being told he's a genius imparts an overconfidence that can only be misguided, since the man is clearly not. ug...I just woke up and time no longer feels linear - very weird.
well it'd be better if AOTC was like ESB in the way that ESB was just overall a good movie. In TPM you could see the same elements of the first movie, how a huge ship is destroyed from the inside (I wonder how Lucas comes up with this over and over again. Does he sit at his desk for days thinking: "How can ANAKIN destroy that ship. There must be some way-wait! I've got it! He'll fly inside and blow it up! I'm a genius!). I just hope that there isn't a huge battle scene at the end of AOTC, because that's what made ESB so great-there was action that satisfied the sci-fi type actiony guy and also a psychological thriller/love story that would appease most film critics (Pauline Kale). I don't know about anyone else but I really want the next one to be directed by Peter Jackson, I REALLY want it to be.
True, definately, but I think there is too much obsession with comparing AOTC to Empire. Sure, Empire was cool and dark and stuff, but there is no need to do it again. I mean there are other ways of making a movie. There are other ways a Star Wars film can be tougher and emotional without having to be like 'The Empire Strikes Back'. Something psychological would be cool though. I agree, he's been out in his ranch with his millions of dollars for too long. I think he is trying his best, but someone needs to slap him round the face a bit. I still respect the bloke though
I just dont have much faith in lucas, he really doesnt seem to be able to come up with anything other than what the first three films were. I expect that the third will probably be more like ROTJ, but I hope not.
Yeah I know the feeling, thats why I'm a bit skeptical about Episode 2 when people start making comparisons to "The Empire Strikes Back". I've heard it reffered to as a 'fools errand' to return to the ground of a previous victory. The Empire Strikes Back was great but when you hear people talking about making AOTC like it, it just sounds like a last ditch attempt to get the old fans back and play the same trick again on the new generation. Hell, you said it yourself that Lucas is trying to make AOTC like Empire when the person who actually directed Empire isnt directing this one. Perhaps I'm over-simplifying with the comparisons, but there has got to be other things that could be done with Star Wars. Why not make it more of a drama or actually make it a war film since we're supposed to be dealing with the clone wars at some point. Perhaps not as strong as something like 'Full Metal Jacket' or 'Platoon' since it is supposed to be a kids film and is more about the characters like Anakin and Obi-wan, but I think it would benefit by having a change of pace or style. Ideas on the back of a postcard please...
Attack of the Clones? Who thought of naming of the second Star Wars movies? I wonder if someone was on something while naming the movie.
I don't have any faith in George anymore either. Hes becoming to commercial and many of you have heard me say this but the only reason Jar Jar excist is because george needed someone to do pepsi commercials. Just the other day I saw a preview for episode 2 and in the background of one of the shots there stood Jar jar, george lucas can eat my @$$ now I dont care for him anymore. ::sniff::
You know the truth, though, counsler, no matter how bad the critics and all your friends say it is you're still going to go. It'd be funny if we started a sienfeld-like star wars thing when the movie comes out to see who could go the longest without seeing it.
I hope I get pleasantly suprised by the next episode, because "Attack of the Clones" sounds like the title of a children's comic book or something. :bugeye: Star Wars would have been better had the new episodes not even been produced Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I hope that he allows other people to make star wars movie spin-offs, people like spielberg and jackson who would really make great movies based on some of the more popular fiction written in the last decade.
I liked TPM... not as much as ESB, but I liked it. Face it, the basic plots of all the Star Wars movies were never original. Similar plots had been done billions of times. If you're watching for the sake of creative plots, Star Wars was never the right place to look... it was never Lucas' intention, Lucas knew from the beginning he was crafting a myth and the story would take a direction guided by that. With myth, and especially with monomyth like Lucas is doing, it's about how well you do it rather than what you do. It's about how well you show it. Monomyths are myths that are in essense about the internal self, where everything shown in the conflicts in the myth can also be understood as internal in the mind of a generic person. You set the myth "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" so that you can get a more objective view when it's really all about the human mind. Yevgeny Zamyatin's We is a classic great monomyth (Zamyatin used the monomyth to make a political statement, but that gets complicated)... studying that in high school, I was fortunate enough to have a teacher who constantly related it back to Star Wars. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! There are some things about TPM that have a lot of depth, that I love. Just Senator Palpatine alone, and what he represents, could take forever to talk about. Palpatine is like a virus. He finds a weak cell, wiggles his way in disguised as something friendly, promises peace and prosperity... even as he's been the architect of the evil he acts so pleased to see destroyed. Once his scheming gives him control, he's installed as the brains of the galaxy and he can quickly infect every planet in the Republic. It's so much more effective than military conquest... simply get inside the existing system and manipulate it to your advantage. He's even in charge of the antibodies, a.k.a. Jedi, whose duty it is to fight infections... those who fight infection now take their orders from the disease itself. AOTC is really the critical point, lots of great stuff that has to be covered here. My only major worry is that there isn't enough time to fit everything in just 2 movies. I do love all the rain they have in ep ii. There's no better way to do the crucial parts of the turning point of the saga than to represent the internal storm with a real storm. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Well, Hoth I happen to be the proud owner of the DVD and dl the 'Mystery' trailer but was pissed off that it didn't stay on my hardrive. TPM would be a good star wars movie if it didn't repeat what had already been done and if Anakin above all had been directed better. Plus, with Jar Jar, there's a difference between being funny and being stupid. The only comedic line that I can think of now in TPM was when qui gon says 'there's always a bigger fish' during the brief underwater chase sequence. In the other star wars movies 3P0 and R2 were the perfect comedic relief, they weren't stupid, they just bickered all the time and got into hairy situations. Jar Jar is just stupid and the poor guy that played him has a ruined acting carreer because of it. After watching one preview and hardly remembering the other the acting on Anakin's part looks good in most parts but possibly a little iffy in others, and of course Ewan Mcgreggor appears to be doing great, however I don't think I saw enough of Amidala to warrant a real conclusion to how good her acting will be. Lucas can direct well-anyone remember 'American Graffeeti?' But I've just lost a lot of faith in him due to TPM.
I don't like Jar Jar, I guess I'm just better able to ignore him. I never cared much for the comedy parts of the original trilogy anyway. Anyone else watched any of the Ep II "Making of..." videos on starwars.com? Strangest thing I see there is Boba Fett being an 11 year old kid... that's going to be kind of hard to adjust to.
The main problem for me in TPM was the spacing between action and dialogue. Usually in a Star Wars film, there is the big opening sequence, then the film kind of calms down for about half an hour, then it kind of literally explodes. You know like in Star Wars we start off with a battle in space, then there are the droids launching in the escape pod, and then it cools down and we see them moping round the desert for a while ecountering some jawas and being bought by Luke with the odd run in with some sand people before they all hop into the Millenium falcon and the film picks up speed again. In TPM, the first half hour was crammed with action, but it just seemed pointless. I mean it was cool when Obi-wan and Qui-gon appeared and had to fight their way through battle droids, but after that it should have slowed down, instead they swam off into that underwater place and had an utterly pointless conversation with those gungans, then they were being chased by huge fish, then more lightsaber battles, then back in outer space trying to outrun some other ships (yawn). I mean it was all impressive on a technical level but everyone was bored stiff at that point. Then when the action finally did stop, it took ages to get going again. It then spent too much time in the desert waffling about Anakin before we were treated to the pod race and after that was over and done with, everything slowed down to a crawl. The last half hour was as bad as the first because it had far too many action sequences going on at once, the lightsaber battle, Jar Jar fighting more probe droids, the space battle, and the princess storming her way back into her palace. At least if the action and dialogue had been spaced out better it would have been an enjoyable film, mind you it still would have been a bit average after watching the old trilogy. They should really focus on the lightsaber battles in this trilogy rather than space battles. I mean there are hundreds of Jedi alive and well in this trilogy, so George really should have given them more focus in TPM instead of worrying about computer generated frogs and trying to recreate the space battles from the old films.
Yeah but I hope he's not gonna be like Anakin in TPM. Is this George Lucas answer to the prequels now? Throw in a child version of a favourite character. Is there gonna be a child version of Han solo in Episode 3 too? I dont really like the idea of an 11 yr old Boba Fett, it kind of spoils the mystery. Besides, Jango Fett looks pretty much like Boba Fett except with a new paint job and a second coat of wax, so he will probably be indistinguishable from Boba fett unless they give him a dramatically different character.
It needs a better title. I mean, "Attack of the Clones"? That's putting it rather weakly, I think. Maybe "Ascent of the Clones" would work better, ne?
