Should Gay Men be Permitted....

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Baron Max, Aug 16, 2005.

  1. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    I agree, so they should have their own facilities! ...different from NORMAL men and women.

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  3. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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    There's no such thing as normal. No one is a carbon-copy of another person. Even identical twins have different minds. "Normality" is a delusion.
     
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  5. Bells Staff Member

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    Define normal?

    Baron, this thread is like a trolling festival. You're acting like a 5 year old with an itch and a need to stir up crap.
     
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  7. one_raven God is a Chinese Whisper Valued Senior Member

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    Regardless of Baron's reasons for starting this thread and his obviously less-than-altruistic impetus for writing this thread...
    Putting aside his blatantly expressed feelings about homosexality and homosexuals...
    Discounting obvious differences in ideologies...

    I would honestly see someone refute his logic and reasoning in this.

    If you disagree with him, explain why.
    Honestly and straight-forwardly.

    If you think openly homosexual men should be allowed into restrooms with openly heterosexual men, how does that hold up against barring heterosexual men from restrooms with women?
    What, then is the valid reasoning for keeping men out of women's rooms?
     
  8. Bells Staff Member

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    There is no reason why men are kept out of women's bathrooms and vice versa. What Baron has failed to realise is that unisex bathrooms are quite common now, both in work and recreation places.

    So his point about keeping homosexual men out of men's bathrooms and using the argument that men are kept out of women's bathrooms because of a sexual nature as a form of justification is pretty much invalid and frankly silly.

    There is no reason why homosexual men should be banned from men's rooms. They are men are they not? Just because they are homosexual does not make them any less so. To do so would be discriminatory... not only against their sexual orientation but also against their sex. And Baron cannot say that men are banned from all women's bathrooms because unisex bathrooms are not that uncommon now days.

    There are no reasons for banning one sex out of the bathroom of the other. Just as there are no valid reasons for banning homosexuals out of bathrooms because heterosexuals also frequent them.
     
  9. ReighnStorm The Smoke that Thunders Registered Senior Member

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    Aren't unisex restrooms usually with one toilet right? That's what I've seen. But what about public toilets with more than one stall?

    That is the question right? Are they men? I know that have male organs (sexual), but............?

    So you don't mind a child (perhaps a girl) sharing a public restroom (more than one stall) with a man? You're ok with that?
     
  10. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    "Quite common"? In what part of the world? Where? When did it happen? And why didn't NBC news let me know about it? ....LOL!

    And does that include locker rooms, dressing rooms, showers, baths, etc?

    One-holers at country fairs and such ain't quite the same thing, Bells. Do check it out ...you'll be surprised and amazed.

    Baron Max
     
  11. milkweed Valued Senior Member

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    First, I agree with dalahar on how humorous this thread is.

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    Separate restrooms/showers based on sexual orientation would probably fall under discrimination. I do not think the law can mandate that a persons sexual preference be displayed publicly, as would occur with a homo/hetero only rest room. I think you are allowed to get a tattoo on your forehead (and/or ass, if your that paranoid) which declares you are HETEROSEXUAL, so that should protect you from unwanted advances in the restroom, should that become an issue in the future. The homosexuals I know do not want to chance a beating from a homophobe, and a tattoo would be a clue to them. Call it a self-defense tattoo.

    One can argue that this is discrimination based on sex, however that fails the test because having a separate restroom does not affect the ability to be employed, purchase products, live, etc. Additionally a place is offered for each sex to use. They are usually located in the same area of the public arena. So men/women are not deprived of a spot to relieve themselves, nor are they denied a chance to shower (though I doubt showers in locker rooms are a right). And there are the differences in physical needs that men do not have and women do. For example: menstruation. There are men who wont go to the store and purchase these products for their wives (and I imagine some who have now quit reading this post). Those same men would be very uncomfortable watching a woman purchase these items in a public restroom (when the darn things arent empty). And there are women who would not be comfortable meeting these physical needs in a restroom while (for example) a group of teen boys used the same facility.

    I would say if these unisex restrooms were implemented widely, it would be only a short time before men begged to have their own place to pee again. You will not like waiting in line for a stall to open up, and I dont imagine they would have the urinals as they do in mens restrooms. The lines at sporting events or concerts in front of the womens restrooms can be daunting, especially if you waited too long to get into this line.


    OK, theres my attempt to refute.

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  12. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    I agree ....and it's own thread! ...LOL!

    But I also think it's just as humorous as allowing two men to get married, too. So I was, of course, just having a little fun ..then I thought, "Hmm, why don't I let some others have some fun, too?" So I posted it.

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  13. Bells Staff Member

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    ReighnStorm

    Nope. The one's that I have seen have many stalls. As for public toilets with more than one stall... what of it? There are doors on each stall and the unisex bathrooms that I have seen do not have urinals out in the open as they normally do in a men's room. I have even gone camping in grounds that have unisex communal showers and toilets with several stalls in one block, all of which have doors and walls from floor to ceiling and locks on the door.

    I must admit though that particular shower block was a nightmare.. not because it was unisex but because there was no hot water and on cold spring mornings.. ugh..

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    Anywho...

    But what? Because a man is gay he is not a man?

    This is the typical kind of response I would expect from you Reighn. Childish, petty and frankly idiotic. And might I add, what is with the signature under your name? "Neildo Dildo, Bell in hell"? Are you actually trying to sound like a mentally challenged 5 year old? For goodness sake, grow the hell up...

    No Reighn. I simply would not let a child of any sex go into any public restroom by themselves. Parents who do so are irresponsible.

    Baron Max

    Heh! Nice Baron... And it is not that uncommon. A lot of clubs, restaurants, offices and work places, etc, have unisex bathrooms now because of the issue of lack of space.

    Refer to above about my comment about a camp ground with unisex shower blocks and bathrooms... I mean in all honesty, so what if it is unisex. Unisex bathrooms, be it change rooms, showers, etc, have lockable doors on each stall.

    I remember as a small child out and about with my father and if I had to use a bathroom, he would block my eyes and take me into the men's room and stand by the stall because he did not think it was safe for me to go into the woman's side without an accompanying adult. And since he could not enter the female section, he would take me to the men's side and cover my eyes with his hand (public bathrooms with urinals) and guide me to a stall... lol.. I have seen many father's do the same thing if they are out with their daughters and sons and I have seen mothers taking their small sons into the female toilet if they are out alone with them, because one simply does not let a small child go to any public restroom by themselves.


    I was not talking about "one-holers" at country fairs Baron. Maybe you just need to get out a bit more.. lol..

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  14. §outh§tar is feeling caustic Registered Senior Member

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    This reductio ad absurdum is very clever. But the law is not influenced by logic so you might as well be asking why it's not a crime to step on an insect.
     
  15. J.B Banned Banned

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    If it would have been homosexuals that had started asking for there own bathrooms instead of Baron just asking "if they should have there own bathrooms", all the people here now against this idea would then be for it.
     
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  17. kenworth dude...**** it,lets go bowling Registered Senior Member

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    i think everyone who thinks it is a good idea for homosexuals should pay for it,i dont give a shit if the man taking a piss next to me is a bummer so JB,Baron max and all you others can foot the bill if you are so sure its a good idea.
     
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    Really, the only reason men and women's bathrooms are seperated is because each gender is still rather uncomfortable with the other -- however, men understand how men think, and women understand how women think, so tensions aroused by being near others peeing or changing tampons and so forth are lessed by familiarity.

    Further seperating bathrooms based on sexual desire is, frankly, overcomplicating things.
     
  19. Hapsburg Hellenistic polytheist Valued Senior Member

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  20. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, we're havin' to pay for every-damned-thing else you gays want, why not separate toilet and shower facilities, too?

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  21. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Perhaps .....but men DON'T understand how gays think!! And that is, of course, the issue, ain't it.

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  22. torrent Registered Member

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    Ok, look, a straight guy won't go into the womens showers, and start humping all the women, and neither will a gay guy.

    Its not like a gay person is some mindless zombie obsessed with soddomizing people in public places.
     
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    As difficult a concept as it may be for you to grasp, gays are men too.
     

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