North Korea

Discussion in 'World Events' started by kmguru, Feb 21, 2002.

  1. kmguru Staff Member

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    What do you make of Bush soothing his "axis of evil" statement towards North Korea?

    New York Times:
    PANMUNJOM, South Korea, Wednesday, Feb. 20 — President Bush said today in Seoul that the United States had no intentions of invading or attacking North Korea and that his goal in the Korean peninsula was peace.

    In remarks meant to soothe the fears and anger of South Koreans about what the president has called an "axis of evil" made up of Iraq, Iran and North Korea, Mr. Bush said he fully supported the so-called sunshine policy of negotiations with the North embraced by the South Korean president, Kim Dae Jung.

    Mr. Bush said dialogue with North Korea was not inconsistent with the tough "axis of evil" talk he first used in the State of the Union address three weeks ago.

    Although the United States has never given any indication that it would attack North Korea, an action that American defense officials have said they considered inconceivable, Mr. Bush's remarks showed the extent to which he has had to reassure American allies at a time when his harsh words are still rebounding around the world

    http://www.nytimes.com/2002/02/20/international/asia/20PREX.html
     
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  3. ICARRYALOTOFBULLETS Quit smoking...:) Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe he considered that a two front war would be a bad idea and provoking the starving people of N.Korea would guarentee war.

     
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  5. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    The South Koreans were more upset than the North Koreans. I think we should move our troops off the DMZ and let the North swoop down on the South. The South Koreans could then see their distant family members and starve with them. How many years have we been protecting that border?
     
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  7. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    ICARRYALOTOFBULLETS,

    Are you stationed in Germany?
     
  8. ICARRYALOTOFBULLETS Quit smoking...:) Registered Senior Member

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    I'm currently in Bosnia, but i don't think it will be long before i go
    you know where, to do you know what.

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  9. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Assuming that I understand your meaning...

    Should that happen, and if you are a grunt, keep your head low. Shoot straight and often. Store your sympathy at the bottom of your duffle bag.

    Best wishes.
     
  10. ICARRYALOTOFBULLETS Quit smoking...:) Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks man. I was wondering if anyone thought the two Koreas could be brought back together like Germany was. Our troops do need to leave that place... forever. If Bush wants to recant his previous statements or smooth things out, than let him.




     
  11. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    North Korea is too primitive to release itself. We will see another war there in the near future.
     
  12. josharuni Registered Member

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    end the empire already.....

    Damn strait!

    America is screwing itself over....
    I mean big time. We've over extended our military
    might too far. Look into it..... Do we really need these other military bases around the world? What the hell our we doing in Italy?
    Does Japan really need protection? Against who in this day and age?!
    We're spending so much money on overseas military installations and affairs that its soaking up most of the budget -money we really need for our failing schools, science institutes and space program....to name a few.

    All we're doing is creating resentment. No one wants some arrogant and overbearing nation on their soil....
    having a foriegn military installation in the U.S. would be absurd....
    at the rate we're going... I'de give it 10 years until the world gets tired of American imperialistic policies and turns its back on us.

    It's time we stop mettling in other's affairs and let the world deal with its own problems: We need to focus on our failing industries hollowed out by asian imports and start getting back our competetive edge.... but please, no more international policing!!!!! It just doesn't work anymore....
     
  13. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm, I just can't help believing that, if it wasn't US, it would be someone else, maybe someone who would be more oppressive.
     
  14. ICARRYALOTOFBULLETS Quit smoking...:) Registered Senior Member

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    josharuni wrote:
    I like that idea too. If we invested all our time into our citizens and country we could bounce back stronger than ever. We'll stop feeding these other resentfull people all over the world and give the food to our starving. We can get the bums off the streets and give them jobs...[sound of brakes screeching]...but didn't we try that before in world war one. Wasn't the oppion of the people back in the day was to stay out of other people's affairs. Weren't we against sending troops to europe because it was their problem, not ours. What would Europe resemble today if we had stuck up our middle fingers and said," sorry pal maybe next time". It is something to think about though. It's no secret that America has no friends anymore and there will be a day when we fight alone. But is falling back, and building an impenetrable wall surrounding the U.S. the answer. I do agree with you about taking care of our business first. It seems silly to feed these other countries when were stepping over homeless in the subway.


     
  15. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    We need to stay involved. That's our role and our responsibility. When Rome fell to the barbarians, wasn't the period that followed called "the dark age?" Believe it or not, we are the peace keepers of this world.
     
  16. kmguru Staff Member

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    I favor a united Korea in the same light as Germans did. After all they are the same people divided by a stupid ideology - just like East Germany was.

    I would like to see the same for Pakistan and India too... that was divided by the British - and there is nothing but trouble since day one..
     
  17. josharuni Registered Member

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    korea

    The only solution to a divided Korea: One of em has to give
    up their pride. Koreans, by far, have much.
    oh, and for the U.S to keep clear.
     
  18. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    I don't believe any "solution" (ie. outside interference) is required. North and South Korea are working very hard at re-integration by themselves.
     
  19. Captain_Crunch Club Ninja Valued Senior Member

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    Its already happening.
    Bush only says that north korea is evil because it is communist - cold war attitude. It is a dictatorship-yes, but if thats what the people want, let them- they dont need america medeling with their politics.
    its much more than pride - they have to give up their political system and way of life.
    its not going to happen, opposites repel.
     
  20. Dark Master DaRk LoThArIo Registered Senior Member

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    We can't let North Korea take over South Korea, because we want to rid the world of communism. No one is going to ive up because they both view things their way. And I believe it is positive to keep an empire overseas everywhere. In case a war goes out anywhere, we have other military bases to attack and station our troops am I right? Look at previous wars in the past, people that fight in a foreign land have a disadvantage, with bases all over the world the US can exercise more control and power.

    And yes Japan needs protection in case China might want a takeover of it. Since there are few communist countries let, CHina might feel threathen, as if Korea unites to be democratic, one less country that has the same view as CHina... That is why we keep bases there and military defenses. Japan is very powerful in economics, if that ever falls to China when China begins to lust for power, it will be incredibliy hard for the Americans to fight back against the Chinese because America is thousand of miles away. Countries must be aware at all cost, it if for the better for the world and themselves.

    There are many reasons for different things. But one thing I believe is that American just help itself first, as in the poor, then help feed the world. Instead of feeding their mouth while they criticize us, wasting money when we alos have problems to solve. But that is the way the world works, the powerful help the helpless, no matter have naive they are. It's just those people do not understand what the Americans do for them, and you notice in this world only the bad things are remembered, hardly any of the good.
     
  21. Shadowstrife911 Hail the Shredder! Registered Senior Member

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    Originally posted by Bowser
    The fall of the Roman empire can also be largely attributed to internal instability. The comments made here should be taken seriously, if you don't correct your internal problem then your country will fall.
     
  22. Captain_Crunch Club Ninja Valued Senior Member

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    why? North Korea being communist has absolutly no interest to America, but they make it their buisiness. Why rid the world of communism? especialy why rid countries that have had a revelution because popular feeling wants communism, if they want it, let them have it. I hate it how americans make everything their buisness, if it effects america in the slightest they have an opinion.

    America does not have an empire, only american military bases in other countries. I say let countries from europe set up military bases in the u.s.a and see how they like it. Oh and see how you americans have guantanamo base in Cuba ? let them cubans have a base in washington dc. sounds fair to me.

    the land of the free - America - wants to exercise control and power over a people that is not anything to do with america? sounds abit dicatorshipish (i know that aint a word) to me, and your talking about North Korea?!

    why would china even bother wanting to take over Japan - the way i see it, you are just making this stuff up as you go along. i read into that quote: because they are communist they have no logic and are war mongers. That is why we keep bases there and military defenses You have just said they have bases everywhere because they want to exercise more control and power over the rest of the world.

    ehm, by the way: China is very powerful in economics. it will be incredibliy hard for the Americans to fight back against the Chinese because America is thousand of miles away. first of all, you are amsuming that america will give a damn and why would america start a war with a nuclear capable country? you dont make sence.

    i dont know where you have been because the rich never help the poor and help fill their own pockets, that is the way the world works. Yes i agree with you that they are naive. oh, if you mean help the poor as in giving charity money ? - this is'nt enough, charity is just a material thing that helps ease the mind.

    Americans do nothing for me, if you mean comming over into this country and telling me that i'm their ancestor well, i'll hand that to you. American corporate buisness fills our shelves with brand labels this is the only thing i can think of just now. and you notice in this world only the bad things are remembered, hardly any of the good Thats because not alot of good things- truly selfishless good things- are not happening. Everyone knows that bad things make better headlines, a possible way that the bad things are remmembered for longer.

    captain crunch
     
  23. Dark Master DaRk LoThArIo Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, I'm not going to argue here but state my points. WE obviously have different viewpoints, so I believe it will be very hard to persuade each other in any way... For the sake of it, let's not argue over what we think.

    Rid the world of communism. Well, to say it would be the best for democratic nations. Remember, I believe it was after World War II, many nations were weak from the war, and would fall to communism easily. President Eisenhower I believe, correct if I'm worng, stated that he would interfere if any democratic nation was threathened by communism. If the people vote for it, that's fine. The point we get into this business because it would affect us, what if Europe was totally taken over by communism?? Then who would be our allies, it would most likely seem someday or later we would be next.

    That is why we must prevent the spread of communism, for America's future also, and as American's believe it, for the better of the world, of course that's the way we think, so no flaming. And to completely rid of it...it's our opinion, we don't believe in it but the freedom of the people to choose, it's just our thinking...




    Well, whichever you call it, someone refered to it as empire so I did too. The thing is America does not NEED countries from Europe to set military bases in America because we are powerful to even take care of ourselves. We are the peacekeepers of the world, and the reason we are in South Korea, Japan, Middle East, Germany, and whichever places, is to keep peace, and maybe for other reasons, you never know.

    Think whatever you think, and some countries, like Japan and some oil rich countries, pay for American protection and for America to be there. Korea however pays for some, since they are still a growing nation. Heck that is why bases in Korea suck compared to Japan when I visited!!



    Ok, maybe I have been too prideful that you see it in a wrong way. Let's not say exercise and control, my mistake. But the point is with Ameican bases all over the world they can regulate peace and send troops in and out with ease, and there you have it.



    First of all Japan doesn't even have an army yet, although they are building up now. China MIGHT want to take over Japan. I'm just basing it on Communism, look at the Soviet Union in the past. Then why would American and Japan, have negotiations with China about their missle policies and such?? Why would America negotiate with Japan to build more missle defenses for Japan?! To be on the safe side.

    Again excuse the exercise and control, I do not speak for all of America. If we wanted to exercise power and control we would have taken over territory and land for OURSELVES, instead, we get them on their feet, and LEAVE

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    Oh so you believe China will never do that, so Japan should have nothing, and what IF it happens my friend??? Always better to be cautious, even of friends, ever learn that in life?



    Yes, that is why we have military bases in Korea and Japan incase anything like that happens, to station our troops instead of sending them half-way around the world to just fight.

    And uh, I DO MAKE sense. I only said if China attacked Japan, then America would butt in, first negotiate, then butt in. America would not be senseless to start a war with such a powerful nation as China unless they provoked it first.



    I know where I have been. Ever heard Carnegie, a very rich man in America's past, state that, the way he thinks, it is the duty of the rich to help and pay back society. Can't really quote him because I don't want to look for it, but he said somewhere between there. Some rich people fill their own pockets, others help the poor ok? Not every rich person cares about themselves. Yes charity eases the mind, but it helps, you have a better solution of what the rich should do with their money to help rid of all the poor? It is not that easy.



    Well you seem to dislike America, or maybe hate it. And IF you hate, it clouds most peoples thought to only see what they want to see.

    So if the Americans did nothing for you, you don't like them? Just asking a question.

    Every nation has it's bad and it's good, their actions may not even be liked by people, and it's their opinion, can't really do much. As in America, they hardly tell us of how countries hate us, blah blah. That maybe why i think good of America, but every country has it's bad and good, so I don't really know. But in other countries, they talk bad of America, it's all about how people get influenced. People should see all the goods and the bads, although when people do a bad thing, the good just fades away..... Life's just complicating.
     
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