Why does god incite people to murder

INCITEMENT TO MURDER

GE 4:2-8
2: And again, she bore his brother Abel. Now Abel was a keeper of sheep, and Cain a tiller of the ground.
3: In the course of time Cain brought to the LORD an offering of the fruit of the ground
4: and Abel brought of the firstlings of his flock and of their fat portions. And the LORD had regard for Abel and his offering,
5: but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.
6: The LORD said to Cain, "Why are you angry, and why has your countenance fallen?
7: If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin is couching at the door; its desire is for you, but you must master it."
8: Cain said to Abel his brother, "Let us go out to the field." And when they were in the field, Cain rose up against his brother Abel, and killed him.


God's arbitrary preference of Abel's offering to that of Cain's provokes Cain to commit the first biblically recorded murder and kill his brother Abel.

GE 34:13-29
13: The sons of Jacob answered Shechem and his father Hamor deceitfully, because he had defiled their sister Dinah.
14: They said to them, "We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one who is uncircumcised, for that would be a disgrace to us.
15: Only on this condition will we consent to you: that you will become as we are and every male of you be circumcised.
16: Then we will give our daughters to you, and we will take your daughters to ourselves, and we will dwell with you and become one people.
17: But if you will not listen to us and be circumcised, then we will take our daughter, and we will be gone."
18: Their words pleased Hamor and Hamor's son Shechem.
19: And the young man did not delay to do the thing, because he had delight in Jacob's daughter. Now he was the most honored of all his family.
20: So Hamor and his son Shechem came to the gate of their city and spoke to the men of their city, saying,
21: "These men are friendly with us; let them dwell in the land and trade in it, for behold, the land is large enough for them; let us take their daughters in marriage, and let us give them our daughters.
22: Only on this condition will the men agree to dwell with us, to become one people: that every male among us be circumcised as they are circumcised.
23: Will not their cattle, their property and all their beasts be ours? Only let us agree with them, and they will dwell with us."
24: And all who went out of the gate of his city hearkened to Hamor and his son Shechem; and every male was circumcised, all who went out of the gate of his city.
25: On the third day, when they were sore, two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brothers, took their swords and came upon the city unawares, and killed all the males.
26: They slew Hamor and his son Shechem with the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went away.
27: And the sons of Jacob came upon the slain, and plundered the city, because their sister had been defiled;
28: they took their flocks and their herds, their asses, and whatever was in the city and in the field;
29: all their wealth, all their little ones and their wives, all that was in the houses, they captured and made their prey.


The Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of their village, taking as plunder their wealth, cattle, wives and children.

can you please explain these atrocitie's, and why god feel's the need to cause death.

 

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What's the point? Christians would say we cannot understand God and therefore don't even try to rationalize it. You just need to have faith.

Non-Christians would say bible is a fairy-tale, and OT reflects the backward societies of that time.

 

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my point is to get a debate going, as it is always.
I am an atheist, I dont believe in a god/god's or the bible as a truth.
but christians/religious people, believe hence why I ask the question's.
too get an understanding and or an incite, into their way of thinking.

 

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There are lots and lots of stuff that cannot be explained rationally. One of my problem with the bible is that, we make assumptions about God being compassionate, just, and omnipotent, and there are many passages in OT that violate those assumptions. Therefore, either I must reject the bible or I must reject my assumption about God.

Christians assume bible is the exact word of God. Some Christians cannot take a dump without first seeing what the bible says about taking a dump. Anyways, they say we cannot understand some stuff in the bible because we are not God.

 

they say we cannot understand some stuff in the bible because we are not God.

dont you think that, that's the biggest load of bullshit ever.
what a cop-out

 

they also say God created man in his image,so we should be like God,no?

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if its too slow here,you can always drop in to www.beliefnet.com

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Because he's a jealous God, a point that's pretty well established in the Old Testament.

 

Because the Judeo-Christian god is a closeted homosexual who needs to get his anger and frustration out in some odd ways.

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No It's never to slow here, It's the best site for free expression, on the net.

have done, but they seem to want to turn me, which they will never do.
they keep spaming emails also, they are like a bunch of parasites.
you may like them.
here's one for you. www.nogod.com

 

Ask yourself whether the Jews have gotten better or worse over the ages. If we do not believe their religious propaganda today, then why should we believe their Religious Propaganda from thousands of years ago?

It would be wise not to accept the words of mere men as the Words of God. Revealed Religion should be accepted in proportion to the amount of Divinity which accompanies the Revelation. As Christ Himself told us, we should not believe unless we see wonders and miracles. Yes, alot of Christians would disagree, and that is why the Gospel of Thomas was not included in the Bible. the funny thing about the Christian Church was that it tossed out even the Teachings of Jesus which disagreed with what Paul finally decided would be the accepted doctrines of his Church.

Anyway, it would probably be better not to talk about jewish literature as though it actually represents the opinions or actions of God. As Christ said -- you know a Tree by its fruit. We see in the newspapers the kind of people the Jews are, so why would we suppose they know the least thing about God?

 

This is funny!

 

God didn´t accept Cain´s offering because Cain wasn´t truthful. He was doing that for himself, he was thinking about himself and putting himself before everyone else. Cain was selfish and didn´t have good things in mind...

 

As he clearly showed by his actions afterwards.

 

Quite simply because the Torah, Bible and Quran were written by men to guide and control other men and all the authors biases and weaknesses were manifested in the god they created.

 

By the way, you're thread is very easy to answer.

Why does god incite people to murder?

The definite answer is John 8:44.

Now if you are accusing the Creator as the one inciting people killing each other. You fall into much illogicalities. Why? Because the Creator is not a destroyer. Salvation is brought into the world because He(the God of truth) does not want people to have companionship with the Murderer.

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KJV Gen 6,5: And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6: And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7: And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Gen 38, 7: But Er, Judah's first-born, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
what did er do, to merit death, pick his nose.

Amos 2, 1: Thus saith the LORD; For three transgressions of Moab, and for four, I will not turn away the punishment thereof; because he burned the bones of the king of Edom into lime:
2: But I will send a fire upon Moab, and it shall devour the palaces of Kerioth: and Moab shall die with tumult, with shouting, and with the sound of the trumpet:
3: And I will cut off the judge from the midst thereof, and will slay all the princes thereof with him, saith the LORD.
what did the princes do, to merit death, play a game god did'nt like.

just a select few, theres over 800 to choose from, either god killing something, or god getting someone else to do it.

I think you made a mistake enton, reread your bible.

 

Why quoted halfly? You can't prove to the christians your accusations on our Godthe Father. Well, I doubt your a satanist. Satanists in the Bible always blame the bad happenings on the Father of Christ Jesus. Sorry, peacher, I made a mistake when I selected to discuss this thread.

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