LISTEN CHILDREN, MODERN SCIENCE CAN PROVE AN INTELLIGENT CAUSE, FOR SCIENCE ITSELF IS INTELLIGENCE, A FACT. AND BECAUSE THE HIGHER INTELLIGENCE IS PROVEN, IT ALSO PROVES THE IMMORTALITY WITH IT, FOR EARTH IS OVER 15 BILLION YRS AGO (BIG BANG), NO MORTALS SURVIVE THAT LONG. IF THATS NOT GOD WHAT IS IT? STEVEN SPIELBERG? BOB THE INTER-DIMENSIONAL SCIENTIST? GIANT PURPLE SQUID MONKEY? LOL, USE YOUR GOOD JUDGMENT IF U HAVE ONE AND THINK ABOUT IT. HOWEVER, SCIENCE CANNOT PROVE THE HIGHER INTELLIGENCE (GOD) IS ALL GOOD, ALL KNOWING, PREFERENCE, PERSONALITY, ETC. THATS NOW RELIGION'S JOB, A PHILOSOPHICAL ONE, WE CALL "REVELATION OF THE HOLY SPIRIT".
You're using flawed logic muscleman. You're saying "Look, air exists, therefor I have just proved that there is air on Mars."
"THATS ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING "JUST BECUZ U BELIEVE IN GRAVITY IT DOESNT MEAN GRAVITY IS ACTUALLY THERE AFFECTING THE WORLD". " No, actually they have two completely unrelated meanings. But I see what your small mind was trying to put into words. You mean that it is comparable, and yes your right. Just because I believe in gravity does NOT mean there is gravity. That is what evidence and reproducable experiments are for, so obvious..... "WHY DO U READ BIOLOGY THEN YOU SACK OF SHEEP, THEY ARE WRITTEN TOO" Your lack of intelligence makes me cry. I don't believe it because it is written, unlike our fellow church goer here. I believe it because it is explained, makes sense with other ........ you know what, forget it. You will never know anyway. The only thing I feel sorry for is the poor people that have to listen to you babble. In a first graders language: you suck, period.
"if faith is bullshit, why is the placebo effect a real and measurable entity?" ... beecause the body repairs itself... yes, your body actually has the ability to heal itself.
Xelios, grow up, go to school, educate yourself, and learn that the power of the mind doesnt limit itself in the human body. The effects of faith and "placebo" goes as far as to bend spoons, forks, using the power of the mind...Make yourself worth paying attention to, then talk, otherwise be quite....
"Xelios, grow up, go to school, educate yourself, and learn that the power of the mind doesnt limit itself in the human body. The effects of faith and "placebo" goes as far as to bend spoons, forks, using the power of the mind...Make yourself worth paying attention to, then talk, otherwise be quite...." Once again, realizing he cannot refute a point, MM turns to insults. I'd like to see some evidence of people bending spoons with their minds MM. And if it exists, what do you think is causing these spoons to bend? Is it God? The force? What?
Well that's breaking news...by the way, condescension combined with poor spelling is not a good mix. Multiple studies seem to indicate that faithful/hopeful/optimistic patients heal more quickly and effectively than those who doubt the efficacy of the medications/therapies being applied.
"Multiple studies seem to indicate that faithful/hopeful/optimistic patients heal more quickly and effectively " This is true, but remember that two of your "choices" do not require influence of god. If someone is hopful of recovery, they need not believe in god, right? An optimitstic person doesn't have to be religious. And yes, the body can heal itself. When you get a cut, it heals in much the same way as the skin was grown and is growing in the first place. People who are hopful, happy, and optimistic also tend not to commit suicide. Are you also saying that people who do not commit suicide are being helped by god?
I agree with you. I have no reason to believe in a god, or gods. btw I just found sciforums and it seems awesome so hi everyone.
Seesaw, A very warm welcome. But get ready for a bumpy ride. There tends to be little compromise here.
The placebo effect demonstrates the mind's ability to affect physiology. There are indeed many studies that confirm this. Studies also show that such things as prayer, 'faith healing', 'healing touch' practices, and so on have absolutely no affect upon cell cultures that are not part of a living body with a brain. I don't think anyone would deny that belief can be a powerful thing. What is often questioned is the veracity of unfounded belief and the problems it can cause. ~Raithere P.S. Welcome Seesaw.
where the hell did i make any refs to God? i made a simple comment on the concept of "faith", in general. I'm a complete cynic and personally, my position on Uri Gellar and his spoon bending is that it is total bullshit. re: my original, uncomplicated observation: seems to me that this website has more than its share of people who make all kinds of absurd inferences from simple comments (this is not meant to be taken as an indictment of the site...) additionally: a cut heals? is this news? and please spare me the sophomoric, contentious retorts that "this thread is about God," etc etc etc and ad freakin' nauseum. frenchencheese, or whatever clever thing you call yourself, take a chill pill and stop drawing my own conclusions for me. all these ridiculous semantics are a total bore. maybe there's a website called "The Death of Fun" for you and your lame wordplay. Do you really think you're hashing anything out with all your chickenshit assumptions? do you think that an "all-nighter " with first-year college students ardently spewing the viewpoints they received from their profs earlier that day makes for a compelling dialog? just wondering...
Airdog: "where the hell did i make any refs to God? " Faith is ussually in reference to god, especially in a religion forum..... "frenchencheese, or whatever clever thing you call yourself, take a chill pill and stop drawing my own conclusions for me." Sorry, Ill try to make my posts a little more fun for ya' k? What do you want me to do, Yell at you in caps and tell you your an idiot?
look,F-cheez... you can't even spell very well. as to your vapid, predictable reply, i could see it coming from a mile away. i refer you to my pvs. post. it's painfully obvious that to get into a back-and-forth thing with you would never lead anywhere. i think it's reasonable to conclude that we will rarely be on the same wavelength about anything, even on the simple basics of presenting an observation. so why bother? but by all means, please feel free to continue your endless parsing of anything and everything with anybody who can withstand your apparently unending yet insipid dissertations. i don't know much, but i do know a waste of time when i see one.
Airdog: "look,F-cheez... you can't even spell very well. " What are you trying to prove anyway? That I'm stupid? Damnit man, if you come here and say something, back it up. You call me vapid and boring, what the hell? I have no reason to think your an idiot, you are just frikkin' bitchy. If you think I am a waste of time, why not just ignore me? "i think it's reasonable to conclude that we will rarely be on the same wavelength about anything" Why is that? Because you posted once and I responded? You thought I was boring so now I'm at this higher-ego wavelength? You have no point. All you have done is insult me, so thank you. By the way, are you religious? I missed that. There are a couple people on here that don't think healing exists, they think it a miracle from god...
say this forum is like a watering hole...one of us is a wildebeest and the other, a yak. both critters can make all the noise they want to, but it's just never going to work out between the two. As Frank Zappa asks during the intro to "Watermelon in Easter Hay","...ultimately, who gives a fuck, anyway?"
