One World Goverment

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Ender, Feb 26, 2002.

  1. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Never said it was perfect but at least everyone can aford it
     
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  3. Thirty Seven Baron von "Guns N' Roses" Registered Senior Member

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    One World Government? Bad Idea. At least in this stage of the world, no countiries will give up there pride and patriotism. And also, a singular government could not be able to control everything (unless we all act like do-good Christians) and many nations and citizens of those nations would be opposed to changes of laws and such

    Singular Government=Multiple Problems
     
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  5. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    Thats true (although i resent being called a "DO GOODER CHRISTAN") when we can get our own goverments right then it MAY be time to think about one goverment
     
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  7. Thirty Seven Baron von "Guns N' Roses" Registered Senior Member

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    And plus, if we were all "Do Good Christians" like Ned Flanders, then wheres the fun in life?
     
  8. kmguru Staff Member

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    By implication, "Do Good Christians" do not have fun???
     
  9. Thirty Seven Baron von "Guns N' Roses" Registered Senior Member

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    No, I do not imply that. I meant that if we were all do gooders, then we would be afraid to do a great number of things.
     
  10. kmguru Staff Member

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    As a specis, human beings are designed to take risks and learn from the mistakes - that is what the evolution is all about. I think even the dogs and cats learn too. Our young Lab got too curious and wandered off in our rural area. Some a**hole picked him up and dropped off 14 miles from our house. By the time the dog pound picked it up, the dog was malnourished and looking desperate. After we got him back, we found out that he does not dare to go wandering outside of our land.

    So, I think we will continue to learn from our mistakes. In two thousand years we still do not follow The Book (Vol I & II). But we do talk a lot for others to follow though.
     
  11. No thanks, (Ahhh, there's that good ol' U.S arrogance I've come to know and love

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    On the topic of one world goverments, for better or worse we already have an economic one anyway- the world trade organization.

    I find it ironic that corporations now have global rights when global human rights still elude us. But, I 'spose in a world driven by the almighty dollar that's all that matters.

    Io
     
  12. kmguru Staff Member

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    With Japan and Germany being no.2 and no.3, I wonder why US Dollar is almighty? Any clues? And why is it that everyone wants to emigrate to USA? And why is that the USA pumps out the largest number of patents?And why is it that if you do not export to USA, your economy dies and yet you hate US consumerism?

    Confusing....
     
  13. I never said that I hated U.S consumerism, I hate mindless consumerism in general. When I said almighty dollar, I meant money in general, not the American dollar. I'm not specifically criticising America's capitalism (see, American arrogance again- you're always relating everything back to yourselves).

    About me mentioning trade to America in the other thread, the reason why I am so pissed off is because America supports globalisation when it suits THEM (free trade at sweatshop prices etc.). But when their economy is at risk BRING ON THE TARIFFS. Even after we sent out a whole lot of troops to support them in their war on Afghanistan. It's this sort of Hipocrasy which drives me up the wall.

    Anyway, I don't expect you to understand.....

    Io
     
  14. kmguru Staff Member

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    You are correct Io - I do not understand why you are up the wall....

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    First of all, you talk about arrogance as if it is a bad thing. The dictionary defines arrogant as "Overly confident as to ones own importance...". Why should not we be? We carry the whole damn world economically as well as militarily. When US sneezes, everyone catches an economic cold. If we stop being feeling important then we will stop solving world problems like terrorism and the like.

    As to the tariffs on steel import, it is politics more so than real need. I do not support such measures. But every country has their domestic politics and I am sure Australia is no exception. Actions are always taken based on the degree of positive and negetive consequences. If your government is smart, they could subsidize covertly your steel industry such a way that there will be less of an impact to both the suppliers and the customer in US. We complain Japan's subsidy to their farmers, yet we subsidize our own rich farmers. It is all part of a complex commerce that can be managed by your government. And if you can not manage this simple activity, I can send you a few who can help you there - if you are open to brain imports like US is.

    I welcome you to read my signature again, then you can understand how the nations play the game.
     
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  15. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i have one word for you, Hipocricy. Australia got rid of all there tarifs in the intrest of world trade (and at the request of the US) but then the US still has tarifs on Steel and Beef.


    Hipocricy
     
  16. Ender Registered Senior Member

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    Concider this

    That is the basic defination of Diplomacy. Nations us it to get what they want. Australia has diplomacy with other countriesin order to benifit Australia.
     
  17. kmguru Staff Member

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    Australia imposes tariffs on the following products:

    The average tariff for the industrial sector applied by Australia from 1.1.2000 is 4.5 %. This average rate include tariffs of 0.8 % for raw materials up to 5.9 % for transformed products and 6.9 % for manufactured products. Specific tariffs are applied for cheese and alcoholic beverages, where a supplementary amount has to be paid in addition to the 5 % tariff. Tariff peaks come up to 25 % for clothing, 15 % for textiles, footwear and motor vehicles and parts. However, Australia has announced that it will cut autonomously the peaks from 2005 on to 17.5 % (instead of 25%) and 10 % (instead of 15%).

    12 March 2002
    A DEAL struck with the US would protect 85 per cent of Australia's steel exports to America, Prime Minister John Howard said yesterday.

    Mr Howard said the Bush administration had agreed to changes which would allow Australian hot rolled steel to go to west coast steel millers.

    He said the original decision by the US to hit steel imports with tariffs of up to 30 per cent was still wrong but Australia had won an important concession.

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    The tariff was 8% to 40% depending on the product and the country of Origin.


    Now, now, can we kiss and make up???
     
  18. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    i appoligise if that is acurate. I was under the impression that all our tariffs had been removed
     
  19. Yes, OVERLY confident as to your importance. Not simply confident, but overly so. You are not the most important nation on earth. There is no such thing as the MOST important nation on earth.

    Yes, this is also true for many countries. The world economy is like a web, if something happens somewhere the ripples can be felt everywhere.

    That's a matter of opinion, not fact.

    Either we live in a globalized world or we do not. It's as simple as that. If the U.S wishes to put tariffs on steel, well fine, that's their choice. I would have thought that considering we're helping you out in your war on Afghanistan, you might have shown your appreciation.

    Don't imply that I'm too stupid to understand things.

    You seem to think that I'm anti-american or something, as you keep defending america as if I have made personal attacks on it. I invite you to read my post in the "decline of america" thread again, nowhere have I posted anything to give you that impression.

    Io Aurelia
     
  20. kmguru Staff Member

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    Only because I accepted your opinion. Your opinion, was it not?

    Exactly. See last answer. Glad, you figured that out all by yourself...just kidding

    Again, you said it.

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  22. Ender Registered Senior Member

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    COncider this

    Is there really a point to your picture, or do just like bashing the US?
     
  23. Adam §Þ@ç€ MØnk€¥ Registered Senior Member

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    I just don't trust this Homeland Security thing. It reminds me far too much of Nightwatch off the TV show Babylon 5.
     

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