2k dead us marines...I am NOT sorry for them.

Wow, what a provacative accusation.

Yes, for the simple minded sheep that must consider someone, regardless of the whole "we don't mass murder an entire race of people" thing IS indeed Hitler because it's easy... we, the US, must be "the hitler of the world at the moment".

I think the problem here is just that you over-simplify Hitler.

Please enlighten the group as to how the US is as you say.

I see no blitzkrieg.

I see no mass extermination.

I see no government sanctioned hitler youth.

I must be blind.

 

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The essence of Hitler was that was trying to create the third reich and secure the future of germany. He for instance waged war to get access to oilfields in the balkan area and into russia (does this maybe ring a bell?).

The blitzkrieg was merely early war tactics. Hitler's tactics changed over time.

I see plenty of indoctrination going on. Pledge of alliagance anyone? What do you think that is? It's an absurd notion unless you are an american. And you can't even see it. At least the hitler jugend was restricted to members. You made it into a state sanctioned institute to indoctrinate all your children. I see it everywhere how patriotism is pumped into your children. You think that this is normal. It isn't.

You are not blind, just well trained.

 

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I didn't say America was being a good playground monitor did I anywhere? I just said it has a responsibility in my opinion.

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You don't repeat it in class every day do you?

 

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i think its called shock and awe now

 

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mass torture

 

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We are all well and truly FUCKED!

 

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you're okay with a low moral? let's see you say that with the worst depression you've ever had. moral is EVERYTHING. It's a reason to work, live, breath, and do your job, not just a "thing" as you seem to imply. If you really support the troops, support their job, they need that more than anything.

And I'm speaking as an army-brat who grew up near Ramstein AB, Germany. Lived there my whole life and have seen friends and their families effected by emotional moral alone. It is EVERYTHING. Families break appart when I kid decides to not support his father's job because doing so means he doesn't support his father. You can't have it both ways, you just can't.

 

Nice pic.

AND...

Nice showing of ignorance. You see the "blitzkrieg" was an advance across a continent to annex every country in the path as part of germany. Attacking a single country and attempting to establish an independent democratic government is not comparable.

 

That sir, is apologetic TRIPE. The leader of EVERY country has the similar mandate: You, leader of y, must create a secure future for the people of y.

This is not why every person knows hitler's name and you're deliberately provoking emotion to support a point you don't have. Shall we begin a list of countries that have fought wars to secure natural resources? Hmm... perhaps every country that has ever fought a war?

But IT is part of what he is known for. Part of what MIGHT make your comparison reasonable, had there been a valid comparison at all I mean.

That pledge has been around for a LONG time and certainly has ZERO weight as you've supplied the condition "is now". That hasn't changed since before Hitler himself.

No I think it's kind of weird... but it's not exactly a brain bender. Actually it's fairly reasonable in some ways, but that's another argument.

LOL. You mean your non-existent point? Yes that's right, because it's a crock of shit.

This is the best you could come up with? Something that's been going on since before Hitler? NOW you think "the US is Hitler" because of something like that? Are you on some sort of stupid pill?

You really think it has some huge effect? Enough so to compare with "hitler youth"? Seriously? What the shit is wrong with you?

Fuck you.

You should just admit you made a stupid fucking comparison and quit being a dumbass about it.

 

I agree morale is important, but not at the expense of the truth. Let's give them high morale by sending them on missions necessary for the defense of the United States.

 

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Over one hundred Finns have been found guilty of treason since World War II. During the first three decades after the war, 125 sentences were handed down. After that, about a dozen people have been covicted of treason.

 

I see your point. America's soldiers should defend America. But do you realize what kind of motive there is for these same soldiers when they go into a sanction-ravaged nation and work towards its restoration? Americans or not, the people there appreciate it (as the media seems to conviniently ignore), and that's what people are for, helping others. Forgive the hippie-like speak, but the truth is this, spidey: we're doing more good than harm here, and most soldiers know that very well.

 

Greetings,

I happen to be a soldier in the US Army and I will actually agree with the original post that soldiers who die in battle are completely responsible for their actions. Our military is (as of current) all-volunteer and thus there is no force involved.

The military is not something easily understood by civilians because they are inhabiting two distinct worlds. A good book to consult would be Samuel P. Huntington's The Soldier and the State, which states plainly the schism in thought. I would put it simply that soldiers are not by any means optimists, but pragmatists who cannot believe in the dream of possible peace but the realities of war. Soldiers are not concerned with compromise or liberty of action, but the stark law of force.

There are among the ranks of the Army various people from diverse backgrounds with completely different aspirations in life and many join simply for monetary rewards (the most of whom get nervous when deployments come around). I personally joined strictly for the purpose of self-discipline and a taste of adventure before college, not for some grand motive or career path.

There are in this world those who would sit upon high chairs and podiums and dwell in political and metaphysical fantasies but when the cold hand of death makes itself known, people begin to sober up and in some cases cry for the help of the military to aid them.

I will not object to the overall statement made by this poster, as facts are more important than emotional (or in this case callous) responses. But I will ask that he please reconsider the logic of what he is saying and how it relates to the current international situation.

-Hagar

 

Hagar, let me take this opportunity to say THANK YOU!

I'd be with you now, but the Army wouldn't let me re-enlist ....they think 62 is a bit old to be a soldier!

Baron Max