What does it take to be "black"?

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by James R, Nov 15, 2005.

  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Take a similar example. The Nazi's had a definition of "Jew" based entirely on ancestry. If you were "1/8th Jew" in a similar way to how people define things in this thread, you were as good as 100% Jew, as far as the Nazis were concerned.

    My point in this thread is that it seems that you people who like to talk about differences between black people and white people can't even come up with a consistent definition of a black person. If somebody looks a little black, then they're black, and that's that. They could have 2 white parents, and three white grandparents, but they'd still presumably be "black" if they don't have pearly white skin. And on that basis, you would say they are more prone to become criminal, that they are likely to have a lower than average IQ, etc. etc.

    It doesn't make any sense.
     
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  3. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    James:
    Wait- the only people that would summarily label someone as black because their skin is not 'pearly white' and 3 hairs on thier head are brown and not blonde and because of this assume the person is destined to be a dumb criminal are a handful of ignorants that wouldn't even care to answer your questions let alone think about them.

    Now I know this forum has its faults, but I've yet to meet anyone that ignorant on here.
    I wonder if the word 'race' bothers you, then.

    That said- we all like to deny it but is basic instinct to categorize people, this means we all do it including you.
    If I sat here whining about the universe conspiring against me and that the reason why you closed my thread last time is becuase you think I'm a bitch and would hang me given the rope, you'd label me a baby or 'childish'.

    So when you and I both see a man with dark skin, a round nose, coarse hair, full lips, wearing Sean Jean baggy pants or listening to rap music we would likely say he was an African American negro. Or wouldn't you?
    If we saw this same man with the same features but in sandals and a straw hat, we'd probably say he was a Dominican. Or wouldn't you?
    What's wrong with that?

    We are using the only tools at our disposal (discretion, judgement) that without we'd be either dead or powerless so we can't help using it, no?
    I don't see how classifying people makes one a racist.
    But I do see how grabbing your purse the second you see him and having conniptions that he's black is.
    I don't see how saying a Black man is different than a white man or a chinese man is racist.
    But I do see how saying one or the other will never amonut to anything becaue of his skin, his hair, or his 'root's is.

    So....you see purebreeds in the future?
     
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  5. valich Registered Senior Member

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    When I first saw Tiger Woods on TV, I thought he was of African descent because of the color of his skin. But he is not. He is from the Meditteranian. I have no prejudice.
     
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  7. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    I agree completely.
     
  8. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    none of you seem o have mention U.S racism
    of the slavery, and, segregation times

    ANYone with a tiny bit of 'black blood' was black. think the lightest was 'high yellow', but tere were also 'white niggers' who had some distant black relation
    this is typical racism. compare with nazis, where even a distant grandparent being Jewish meant person was a Jew, and any 'Jewish features'

    this pattern of racist thoght is meaning that the accuser wants to keep their blood 'pure'.....muthafkers them
     
  9. valich Registered Senior Member

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    Just a quick note. I said Tiger Woods was from the Mediterranian: that's wrong. He's Caribbean: I think Jamaica.

    Also, many higher institutes of learning lower their admission scores for blacks to get more blacks in, or to meet a set quota. I think this is wrong. Are we not all equal? Shouldn't the admission scores on like the SAT test apply equally to all without showing "favoritism" to any single ethnic group? This is like "reverse" racism.
     
  10. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    Duendy:
    See?
    That's the southern "porch white" and the Nazi, two instances of the mediocre looking for distincition in blood. This is ignorance- both of them are too busy grasping to realize that "pure" blood is myth and the second one doesn't care to know that Judaism is not a race.
    Of all the people in the world, these are the most annoying.

    I've heard stories of Nazi youth sending blond, blue eyed women to camps simply for wearing a scarf on their head since that look was "jewish'.

    Valich:
    Ok....:

    See, Valich, why its hard to take you seriously, Valich, in place of trying to crush you, Valich?

    Where do you get the Carribean or the Mediterranean from?
    However, if this is your clever way of proving a point (assumptions)...I must say its, well, brilliant.
     
  11. duendy Registered Senior Member

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    ooooooooowhat an insidious web yo weave, and i can see Strange Fruit hanging from its dusty embrace
     
  12. valich Registered Senior Member

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    What on Earth would invoke you to do either and why?

    I was watching a golf championship on TV and the announcer said he was from Jamaica? All I can say is that I must've heard wrong. I don't know. But I remember from what they said, he was not from African descent. What's your problem?

    What type of point are you falsely assuming that I am trying to make???
     
  13. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    My dipoma in Torture Valich I earned from Yale.
    You see its like this, the announcer is doing what this thread says people do, see, the announcer without knowing assumed Woods was Caribbean and James is all, like, why do people just look at you say that you’re…

    Know what….never mind.
    Just…..walk aaaaway from the thread, nice and quiet.
     
  14. Huwy Secular Humanist Registered Senior Member

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    "I said a hip, hop, the hippie the hippie dibby hip hop hop and you don't stop to rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jump the boogie"
     
  15. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    what do you mean by

    "most negros are completely ignorant of their roots, we just call them all black."

    who is most negros?, not the ones i know thats for sure,


    peace
     
  16. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    And what are they, EmptyForce? And more to the point of this post, how do you know that they're "blacks"? If you can tell us that, then you'll have a good answer for James' question, huh?

    Baron Max
     
  17. valich Registered Senior Member

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    I did not "assume Woods was Caribbean," as I originally said that I thought he was from the Mediterranean! I mistook what the announcer said. Okay? Sorry.

    Either way, I have no prejudice. Woods is a cool dude! What's your problem? Are you threatening me? If so, I will gladly give you my address so that you can exercise your degree in "Torture Valich earned from Yale." You are one heck of a sick person.
     
  18. thefountainhed Fully Realized Valued Senior Member

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    The stupidity that pollutes this thread: astounding.

    Definitions as to what constitutes black are mostly social and remnants of a past culture of slavery and prejudice. The identification with the 'black race', even when the individual is say .25, .125 , etc. black is simply because society looks and treats them as being black.

    With regards to deciphering a person's race based on how they look, that also depends on your definition as to what constitute black. They exist in North America and Europe, mostly in tight little clusters that therefore create a loose solidairty, a byproduct of being a members of a repressed subset of society. The ancestors of slaves from Africa are also all over the carribean and south america, but are culturally hispanics. And in specific segments of their respective societies, they are black or not based on wealth, gender, age, etc. It's all a bit moronic anyway. But I suspect people are willing to stay moronic, so that's all I"ll say.
     
  19. gendanken Ruler of All the Lands Valued Senior Member

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    I loooooooooooooooooooove this.
    So Fountainhed finally shows and we suddently hear words like, drumroll please:

    He's the only black guy in here.

    Almost every black I know has these in his vocab, you could be talking about cornflakes or war and somehow the black person in the group will manage to inject slavery or repression in there somwhere.
    Look at Sharpton.
    Look at Sowell.
    Look at Kanye.
    Look at Farakkan.

    "Jayson Blair wasn't fired for being a slop, he..........he... was black. Black journalists face more oppression than whites and speaking of slavery..."
    So if you really want a neat little way to decipher whether or not Person A is black, count the "slaves", "slavery" or "repression" in his reasoning. He's the one obsessed with his skin color and his ancestors.
    Mehehah-ha......I can pick you out anywhere, Fhed.

    Who decides this and where?

    Valich:
    Ok, but cheggitout cheggitout- I never said you assumed Woods was Caribbean

    Fry
     
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  20. valich Registered Senior Member

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    James R: I posted part of a statistical table listed on that .pdf file link you supplied entitled: "Is Race a Valid Taxonomic Construct." What happened to it? Did the administrator cut out some postings? Or was that on a different thread?
     
  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    valich:

    I don't know. I guess it wasn't in this thread. Also, it wasn't me who linked to the pdf file you mention.
     
  22. valich Registered Senior Member

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    Brain Size Cranial Capacity:
    Blacks: 1,267
    Whites: 1,347
    Orientals: 1,364

    Brain Size Cortical Neurons (millions):
    Blacks: 13,185
    Whites: 13,665
    Orientals: 13,767

    Intelligence IQ Test Scores:
    Blacks: 85
    Whites: 100
    Orientals: 106

    Reproduction Hormone Levels:
    Blacks: Higher
    Whites: Intermediate
    Orientals: Lower

    Personality Aggressiveness:
    Blacks: Higher
    Whites: Intermediated
    Orientals: Lower

    Marital Stability, Law Abidingness, Mental Health:
    Blacks: Lower
    Whites: Intermediate
    Orientals: Higher

    "Is Race a Valid Taxonomic Construct," by J. Phillipe Ruston, Department of Psychology at the University of Psychology, University of Western Ontario, Internet Essay, 2001.
    http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.or...icConstruct.pdf

    Secondary Source (original printed publication):
    "Race, Evolution, and Behavior: A Life History Perspective," by Rushton, J.P., Port Huron, MI, Charles Darwin Research Institute, 2000.
     
  23. Facial Valued Senior Member

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    Some pretty BS stats there.
     

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