Prostitution, is it a sin that it is illegal?

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  1. alexb123 The Amish web page is fast! Valued Senior Member

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    Prostitutes are among the most vulnerable people in Society yet they are left to sell themselves on the streets.

    I really cannot understand why the industry is not regulated and taxed? It would, improve the streets, make life safer for the prostitutes and create revenue. It would also mean Police not having to deal with issues around prostitution and the regular murders that they suffer.

    Not to mention that safe sex would be prompted which would save lives and medical costs.

    In modern Society there really is no good reason to not legalise this industry. I believe it is Religion that keeps it where it is. But Religion was yesterday; we are more secular these days, thank God.
     
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  3. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    I absolutely agree; both, female and male prostitution should be legalised, regulated and taxed. The only criteria that needs to be discussed is the areas of where it will be allowed, to be allocated, the size of the establishments and number of workers and proper health regulations.
     
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  5. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    First, why do you say they're among the most vulnerable?

    Second, why do you say that they're "left" to sell themselves on the streets?

    I know several prostitutes who are making a damned good living at prostitution and actually enjoy it. They don't "work" very long hours, their time is their own to schedule, they see who they want to see, they have regular clients who actually like them and respect them.

    What I fear you're talking about is the drugged out sleaze-bags that you see walking the streets ....selling their body or mouth just for their next drug fix. It's the drug addictions, not the prostitution, that's the problem! But please don't lump all prostitutes into that drug-crazed group .....'cause they ain't!

    Baron Max
     
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  7. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    If there were legalised brothels, the number of street whores would diminish rapidly.
    The more sophisticated pro's who work the hotels or work through 'escort' agencies are still unregulated, still might be addicts, still might carry STD's, still are working illegally and are usually controlled by pimps.

    Is this a better arrangement, or do you think that if you leave things as they are, it will go away any time soon?
     
  8. alexb123 The Amish web page is fast! Valued Senior Member

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    Baron, I large amount of prostitutes are victim of child abuse that is why I say they are vulnerable.

    So OK we have a class system within Prostitution but what does that matter? You can't help some and not the others. I would have also have thought that it was the drug addicts that we need of the street?

    Baron maybe lets not tar all drug addicts with the same brush. Some children who have problems at home are taken in by pimps and sold for sex because they have no other place to go. The pimps also get these girls hooked on drugs so that they are trapped within that life style. Maybe spare a thought for these people and not the high class hookers that you seem to admire.
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    alexb123:

    Where are you referring to? (State, Country)?

    In many places, prostitution is already legal.
     
  10. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Personally, I think that's a big excuse that's been foisted upon us all by the "experts" who only want to write their papers/articles/etc and get paid big bucks for doing it.

    Consider all of the sexually oriented businesses in the world ...strip shows, topless bars, porno movies, "fashion" shows, etc., etc. And you think that all of those women come from abusive homes? C'mon, be realistic!

    What about the ones that make $75,000 to $150,000 per year? You want to help them, too? ...even if they don't want your fuckin' "help"?

    Well, that's exactly what ye're doing with the prostitutes, aren't you? Of course you are ...you just don't like to think about it.

    See? Your focus is wrong! Focus on those children who have "problems at home", not on the end result! Find abusive homes, take the children away from the parents and put them into good homes. And if you give me that bullshit about the "rights" of parents, then ....well, just fuck you, then!

    I do spare a thought or two for the less fortunate ...but only a that. If they can't or won't help themselves, hey, that's life (and death!).

    And ye're right, I do admire my friends. They've found a good position, a good life, a good earning potential and they're saving their money for the future. They're good girls/women, they're smart, they're hard-working and educated (some are completing their master's degree). Sure I admire them ....and you would, too, if you met them and didn't know what they did for a living. But as soon as you found out, you'd say something like, "Oh, my god! They're nothing but high class hookers!" And that's because ye're bias and judgemental and, worse, ye're a fuckin' doo-gooder who'll end up doing more harm than good because you don't educate yourself about the issue.

    Baron Max
     
  11. weebee Registered Senior Member

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    I lived in a’dam for a while and there was quite a few international master students who would do their thesis on the red light district, with generally the same angle (ether we must help these poor women, or look how wonderfully strong they are). The truth lies in the middle, some are strong and proud, some are no more than slaves. But anyone would be naive to think that the main prostitute area in A’dam is located in the red light distinct.

    There are many issues around prostitution and the regulation of sex which need to be addressed. I don’t want to stop someone from doing a job which makes them happy, but if a job damages, ether mentally or physically, any of its employees the state should regulate it. One of the most revelling things I heard was on a TV show about Aids in the Porn industry. Sharon Mitchell was speaking of the porn actresses reaction of ‘course I like it’ to double anal sex, and noted that it was a survival instinct. Humans are adaptable to their environment –in a bad situation they adapt.

    In my view prostitution should not be legalised because it allows men a band-aid for their failure to deal with women as sexual creatures. (to say nothing of white slave trade, exploration of teenagers, drug use, mental pain)

    weebee
     
  12. Marlin Registered Senior Member

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    Prostitution should not be legalized, as sexual relationships are to be between only oneself and one's spouse, in strict monogamy. The family as the basic unit of society must be preserved, and prostitution tends to break up the family.
     
  13. weebee Registered Senior Member

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    but why?

    weebee
     
  14. Godless Objectivist Mind Registered Senior Member

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    Prostitution is legal in the state of Nevada. There's less sex crimes in this state, then other states were prostitution is ilegal. Prostitution does not break up family, sometimes it strengthens the bodn between husband and spouse. Sexual relationships should not be criminialized by government or church when there's consenting adults involved. In a "free" society, the government and the church should "stay" out of peoples private business. Unfortunately is people like yourself, that is making this society less free with subjective laws, that have no victims. In the state of Nevada, our teen pregnancie is down, rape is virtually unheard off, sex offenders are few and often involved pedophiles, not adult rapers. Prostitution is legalized, taxed, and medical needs of girls are always top priority in these legal brothels.

    Godless
     
  15. Happeh Registered Senior Member

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    How will the criminals make money? Prostitution is illegal the same reason drugs are criminalized. Legal drugs take all the money away from criminals.

    The way things are now, criminals set up brothels and take most of the money from the women. Pimps protect the women and take money from them.

    If prostitution was legal, how would the pimps and brothel owners make a living? The prostitutes could work out of the house. If there was trouble, they call the police, not the pimp.

    All those criminal guys pay bribes to the authorities. How will the authorities replace their bribe income?

    I find that science people only think about solving problems. The real world is about violence and power. You could discover a free source of energy tomorrow. Instead of being a hero and making life on this planet better, you would probably be killed and your invention hidden away. Coal, Solar, Oil, Nuclear all would go out of business. They don't give a damn about people getting free energy. They want money and power. Oil, Solar, Coal and Nuclear are all extortion rackets. Pay up or freeze in the dark. Free energy means no more extortion racket.

    If you think like a selfish criminal who does what is best for himself, you will suddenly find that all the "stupid" things that happen in the world make perfect sense.
     
  16. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    All well and good, but real life can't always accomodate those ethics.

    1) You have single or inadequate people , who for one reason or another find it difficult to form relationships, yet they still require to have sex.

    2) You have people who for reasons of their job, sometimes can't see their spouses for weeks or months on end, but they still need sex.

    3) You have couples, where one of the partners is permanently incapacitated either through injury, sickness or old age, but where the healthy partner still needs sex.

    4) You have people that have an overriding need for sex apart from their spouse; better that they can visit a prostitute from time to time and stay with their partner rather than have affairs, where the chance of being found out is far greater and whch can cost considerably more money over time and where emotional attachment moves to the secret lover over the permanent partner; this is where a lot of marriages break up.
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Why? A committed married man would never go to a prostitute, would he?
     
  18. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    No, he wouldn't. But an NON-committed married man might.

    Baron Max
     
  19. mountainhare Banned Banned

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    Baron:
    *shrugs* You're right, of course. However, a non-committed married man could cheat on his wife with anyone, not just a prostitute.

    Personally, I don't think that prostitutes are 'temptations' to married men. If men are not committed to their wife, and are desperate for sex, then they will have sex with a woman, prostitute or not.
     
  20. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Marlin,

    Why?

    Why?


    I don't see a good reason for either assertion.
     
  21. Marlin Registered Senior Member

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    The family is central to the Creator's Plan of Salvation. Here is what modern prophets say about the family:

    http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,161-1-11-1,00.html

     
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  22. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    Marlin,

    Ok but do you have any meaningful rational reasons outside of a religious paradigm? I.e. something that might indicate why the family unit is essential to society. Note that over 50% of adults in the USA now are single and the rate is rising. See unmarriedamerica.com

    With people living longer and with women becoming far more independent of the antiquated bread winner husband, it is inevitable that singles will become more dominant than the married. Also we should realize that untrained parents are far from the idealchoice to raise new humans into the world. That should be a something undertaken by professionals. And severely limiting sex to a minority of people appears to make no rational sense.

    Sex is a primeval instinct that serves no real purpose other than personal pleasure. Legalising the prositution industry will make the whole process safer, likely more pleasurable and outwardly far more acceptable and honest.
     
  23. weebee Registered Senior Member

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    Lol –not necessarily. One can be in a couple and not be the ‘traditional’ marriage (couples that don’t live together, open relationships, etc). I think actually being ‘single’ or a ‘spinster’ is going to be a category that decreases (in line with all of the traditional categories)’


    Surly not! -with humans and in many animal groups it been seen to serve a range of purposes (pleasure, power, emotional, mental etc –and so comes in a range of forms). I think a lot of men would like to think their sexuality is only about ‘personal pleasure’ but underneath there seems to be a lot more going on (as much as that scares them)
     

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