Astrology is total Gibberish, right?

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Cris, Apr 10, 2002.

  1. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Cris,

    What you call horoscope, my Mom and I call it Astrological Map...

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    And our Astrologer too...

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    They are just names...
    But they have the same meaning.

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    Love,
    Nelson
     
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  3. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    TS,

    The term Birth Chart works as well.

    Be cool.
    Cris
     
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  5. Xev Registered Senior Member

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    Cris:

    I follow the Onion's horoscope's religiously!

    For instance, your horoscope reads:

    And mine reads:

    I am, like, inspired!

    http://www.theonion.com/onion3813/horoscopes_3813.html
     
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  7. *stRgrL* Kicks ass Valued Senior Member

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    Xev

    Libra: (Sept. 23—Oct. 23)
    No one would go to Salina, KS, without stopping for a world-famous Cozee Burger—except you.


    Very true!!! Dont eat burgers

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  8. Clarentavious Person Registered Senior Member

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    Heyyy!! Don't insult Banshee. From the time I have been on these forums (which I must admit however, hasn't been that long, but enough to suffice for this), and spoken to Bashee, I have not seem anything wrong with her.
     
  9. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Counterbalance ...

    (There ARE differences between dragons and talented balrogs,
    ya know! )


    That there be. Although I must say, the talented ones taste a
    bit better, if memory serves me right, than the run-of-the-mill
    ones. Not quite as 'gamey'.

    I'll check on my next trip to Middle-earth.

    Take care

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  10. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    For the record - I enjoy both Bebelina's and Banshee's posts.

    I rarely agree with anything they say of course, but they say things so nicely that they make me feel guilty when I disagree with them.

    Sigh!
     
  11. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    GOD,

    You’ll see better resolution with the more advanced programs. But there is a limit to what Astrology can do even with the best programs. You’ll still be stuck with generalities.

    OK, rejecting something like this is no big deal but your reasoning is very dubious.

    Astrology is not about trying to predict events. What it tries to do is predict how ones personality might be affected by planetary positions. I’ll take the example of shyness again - There may be a point in the future where the planets are in a position that would be beneficial for a shy person to be more assertive. But this affect won’t be realized unless the shy person attempts to be assertive at the appropriate time.

    It is these procedures of ‘progressing the chart’ that I found extremely subjective and the least accurate. Hmmm, accurate is not the correct term – just plain wrong, and for what I saw was 90% of the time. And at that success rate just guessing would be more accurate. But for those who believe that these mechanisms are true there tends to be a strong temptation to stretch the point to make the predictions appear to work, and they succeed because the predictions are so general.

    Hope that helps
    Cris
     
  12. G0D G0D - Gee Zero Dee Registered Senior Member

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    The point I was trying to make is that predicting events is "stronger" than predicting personality traits.

    There was this study done on college students where they were asked to fill out a questionaire, and then based upon their replies, a "personality assessment" was prepared. Alomst all said that the assessment was very accurate and describes them well. The catch was that every student was given the exact same assessment!

    Astrology seems to be playing on the same theme.

    It's possible that birth times have an effect on personality, but IMO the greater effect is contributed by astrology sections in newspapaers and "Linda Goodman". Ppl read about what traits their sign ought to have, and then try find ways to live up to that description.
     
  13. Tyler Registered Senior Member

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    People see what they want to see. always have, always will.
     
  14. tablariddim forexU2 Valued Senior Member

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    stRgrl..

    check out the second part of this analysis, it's probably the same as yours(haven't seen your first part), yes I'm a Libran too but I doubt that we were born in the same place at the same time (Sep241952,Cyprus)!

    You are very strong-willed and proud, but intensely private
    and not easy to know well. Behind your quiet exterior lies a
    great deal of emotional depth, sensitivity, complexity, and also
    fierce determination. When you want something you go after it
    rather quietly but insistently and wholeheartedly - and you
    usually get it.

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    You are not a person who lives lightly or superficially.
    You want to live passionately and intensely and are not averse
    to challenge, danger, or to facing the darker side of life -
    human pain and struggle. You function well in crisis situations
    and often seek them out, for you enjoy the feeling of living at
    full capacity.

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    You are very intuitive about other people and especially
    about their unspoken feelings and hidden motives. You usually
    have strong, immediate gut reactions, either positive or
    negative, which prove to be correct. You approach life very
    instinctively and are not always fully conscious of why you feel
    or act as you do.

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    You also have a very strong affinity with animals - an acute sensitivity and a nonverbal kind of rapport
    with them.

    In relation to others, you are rather cautious, sometimes
    even suspicious, until you get to know and trust them - and
    trust doesn't come easily to you. When you commit yourself
    emotionally to someone, be it friend or lover, you are intensely
    loyal and devoted to them and you also expect the same kind of
    unwavering, undying loyalty in return. If you are ever betrayed
    by someone you care deeply for, you are capable of hating and
    retaliating with as much fervor as you once loved. Nothing is
    done halfway. In fact, you are intensely involved and often
    jealously attached to whatever you care about, be it person,
    idea, or cause. There is definitely a streak of emotional
    fanaticism in you.

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    Because of your natural reserve, others may see you as
    something of an enigma. You are quite self-protective and often
    defensive. You are also very magnetic, especially to members of
    the opposite sex.

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    Harmony and balance are your keynotes. You instinctively
    understand the need to accommodate other peoples' interests and desires, and you are always fair and willing to meet the other
    person half way. Tactful, diplomatic, and with considerable
    social awareness, you do all you can to avoid conflict and
    discord. You express a spirit of cooperation and compromise and
    often achieve through charm and discretion what would have been impossible to achieve by a direct, forceful approach.

    Getting along with others and pleasing them may be TOO
    important to you, for you can be too dependent on others'
    approval and opinions to make your own decisions. You will
    rarely act without getting the counsel and feedback of other
    people. You prefer sharing and doing things together rather than
    on your own. Being alone feels very unnatural to you, and you
    have a strong need for a partner and intimate one-to-one
    relationships.

    You invest a great deal of your energy in personal love and
    you are very idealistic and romantic about marriage. You seek a
    partner who is your equal intellectually, and who is capable of
    a mental relationship as well as a physical and emotional one.
    You make a thoughtful, considerate friend or lover, and you
    enjoy the traditional symbols of love - courtship, flowers, etc.
    Relationships are like an art to you, one that requires time,
    attention, and creative effort. You appreciate a partner who is
    subtle and polished, never coarse or dull or blunt.

    Fairness and equality, both in your personal life and in the
    world, are extremely important to you. If you fight about
    anything, it is often about something you feel is unfair and
    unbalanced. Balance is very important to you and you believe in
    moderation in all things, avoiding fanaticism and extremism of
    any sort.

    You also have a strong need for beautiful, harmonious
    surroundings and a natural sense of artistic style and grace,
    which is reflected in the way you dress, furnish and arrange
    your home and workspace, etc. Everything must be aesthetically
    pleasing and appropriate. Either working with people as a
    counselor, advisor, consultant, or negotiator - or in an
    artistic field such as design or photography, would be
    fulfilling to you.

    As a general personality profile (or as an idealistic potential of it) for me, I guess this is pretty close to the bone and pretty impressive considering it was computed by a machine using an ancient system of codes or whatever. I'm not so convinced of its 'personal' inference and it would be interesting to compare the first part of your analysis to see if they match as I suspect that most, if not all, the analysies for each sign are actually the same, regardless of time, date or place of birth.
     
  15. Barney_TRubble Banned Banned

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    OK hees my take on astrology....

    When I was younger i used to follow it with a fair amount of enthusiasm. I admit, it was in fact Linda Goodman who seemed to make the most sense, and I used her take on the situation as a benchmark.

    Time goes on... and now I wonder, even if it DOES indeed have some validity (which, to be honest, I'd LIKE to believe cause i always found it so ... ya know... interestingly accurate), does it actually have a purpose or any practical use?

    OK, heres the situation. Astrology uses the Sun, Moon, Ascendant and Descendant, and then 12 planets to plot any given personality.
    This gives a total of 14 to the power of 14 possible personality combinations right? ie... that means there are about 11,112,006,825,558,016 possible personality permutations.
    Not only that, but of course your upbringing and environment is also going to have a serious effect on things, not to mention your life experiences... so even if, by some incredible chance, two persons were born on the same day, at the same instant, in the same town, their lives will still be different due to outside influences.(say if one was born rich and one poor).

    So I cant see what practical use it really has.

    All that aside though... damn astrology is fun aint it

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  16. Barney_TRubble Banned Banned

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    Oh yeah... one more point.
    If you know how computers, storage space, and the web really works... then dont trust an astrology website to give you an accurate personality chart. It aint gonna happen... there are too many people in the world to have all the possible personality combinations in storage. Not only that, youre trusting someone to make an estimate of your personality who cant even see your face, know where you live, and profile you based on a few bits of entered data..

    Eventually there will be two people who type in some info and come up with the same profile, because the computer space cant handle too many interpretations. Who the hell is gonna type them all in? One thousand monkeys with one thousand typewriters?

    The NET is a fine place for factual information.... but if youre looking for an assessment not based on facts, seek elsewhere.
     
  17. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    It's completely right for me, I never have doubted astrology, but this is better than I expected. Don't have a credit card for those 14$

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    How You Approach Life and How You Appear To Others

    Ferociously proud and somewhat vain, you like to be
    impressive and to be seen as Somebody Special. You are not
    timid, meek, or self-effacing, and are rarely content being in
    the background or in the subordinate position. You are a natural
    leader, and do not take orders from others very well. You must
    have something of your own, something creative - be it a
    business, a project, a home or whatever - that you can develop
    and manage according to your own will and vision. Whatever you
    do, you do it in a unique, dramatic, individual way. You like to
    put your own personal stamp on it.

    You also have a very strong sense of dignity, self-respect,
    and personal honor and are deeply offended if someone treats you
    in a humiliating or dishonorable way. You will rarely confront
    the offender - you are too proud to do so - but you will lose
    your affection and respect for them. You dislike pettiness and
    hate to be snubbed or ignored.

    You admire others who are strong individuals like yourself.
    When you befriend someone, you are tremendously loyal, sincere,
    and willing to go to extraordinary lengths to make that person
    happy. You are very giving and generous, but your gifts are
    never anonymous - you expect recognition and appreciation for
    them. You also expect the intense loyalty that you offer to your
    dear ones to be reciprocated. However, you often have trouble
    working with people who are as strong as yourself, for you do
    not really cooperate or share the leading role very easily. If
    you are not in the leading role, you aspire to be and will
    compete with the person who is.

    You have great heart and courage, and people often look to
    you for strength, encouragement, and affirmation. You always
    have your best face forward and rarely allow others to see you
    hurting, disheartened, or vulnerable. You also have a very
    strong need for love, admiration, appreciation, and praise,
    although you don't like others to realize just how important it
    is to you.

    Your outlook on life tends to be very personal and rather
    self-centered. Your own self-expression, self-actualization and
    self-realization interests you more than anything else. You feel
    that if you do your best where you are, the rest of the world
    will take care of itself.
    Serious, disciplined, and quietly ambitious, you are driven
    to prove yourself and to achieve material accomplishments and
    success. Your work, your position in the world, and your
    contributions to society are very important to you. You will
    persevere through enormous hardship and frustration in order to
    reach a goal you have set for yourself, and you often sacrifice
    much in the area of personal relationships and home life in
    order to do so.

    You have a thoughtful, quiet, and self-contained disposition
    and do not readily show your inner feelings and needs. You seem
    to be always in control, capable, efficient, and strong. You are
    often the person in the family or group who is given more
    responsibility (and more work) than the others. You are highly
    conscientious and even as a child you possessed a maturity,
    soberness, and worldly wisdom that was most unchildlike.

    You are basically a pragmatic realist, and though you may
    have all sorts of dreams, ideals and colorful theories, you feel
    that the ultimate test of a concept is its practical usefulness.
    You have an innate shrewdness and business sense, and there is a
    bit of the cynic in you as well.

    You are clear-headed, detached and objective, and are not
    swayed by emotional dramatics. Often you are authoritarian
    -strictly fair, but without mercy. You have a great respect for
    tradition (not great, but I have my respect for it) and even if you do not agree with certain laws, you
    will abide by them or work to change them, but never flagrantly
    disregard them. Careful and conservative, you play by the rules.

    You are subtle, understated, quiet, deep, not easy to know
    intimately, and never superficial. You are a modest person and
    sometimes overly self-critical. Giving yourself (and others)
    permission to feel, to play, to be spontaneous and silly, and to
    be weak and vulnerable sometimes, isn't easy for you.

    Your strong points are your depth and thoroughness,
    patience, tenacity, and faithfulness. Your faults are a tendency
    to be rigid and inflexible, and too serious.
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    You are a natural diplomat, reasonable, tolerant, fair,
    always willing to listen to varying viewpoints, and ready to see
    the other side of an issue. Even if you strongly disagree with
    someone, you will try to find points of similarity and agreement
    rather than emphasizing the differences. You often avoid taking
    an extreme or one-sided stance on anything. You have a strong
    desire for harmonious and pleasant relationships, and express a
    spirit of cooperation, compromise, friendship, and fairness. You
    very much want to be liked and because of your need for approval
    and acceptance, you are easily influenced by others' opinions,
    especially when young. You so much want to please that often you
    will suppress your own intense or unpleasant feelings in order
    not to offend others. Sometimes your politeness is interpreted
    as phoniness or wishy-washiness.

    Your need to create harmony extends to your physical
    environment and personal appearance as well. You appreciate
    beauty and have a natural sense of balance, symmetry, and
    proportion. You do everything in good taste, with a sense of
    style and art. From your home furnishings to your choice of
    clothing, everything must be aesthetically appealing, not simply
    functional or utilitarian.

    You also feel that relationships are an art, one that
    especially interests you and one that you are usually quite
    skilled at, for you possess tact and acute awareness of other
    people. Marriage is very significant to you and finding the
    right person to share your life with is extremely important.
    Being part of a close couple seems natural to you - you are not
    an independent loner. Having a partner increases your
    self-confidence. You do have a tendency, however, to become
    overly dependent on your partner and perhaps not to develop a
    clearly defined identity outside of the relationship. Finding
    the balance between being yourself and blending and uniting with
    another is a challenge for you.

    Others see you as an agreeable, smooth, harmonious, and
    "nice" person. Though there may be much more to you, this is the
    sort of face you show to the world. You possess personal charm
    and an understated, noncombative manner. Your motto could be
    "you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar" for you
    usually take a friendly, cooperative approach rather than a
    strong, forceful, I'm-going-to-conquer-the-world attitude.
     
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  18. Counterbalance Registered Senior Member

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    (LOL!)

    Yeah? Well, the thing is, Chagur... TRULY “talented balrogs” can both run and fly faster than dragons. (It’s a mind-over-matter sort of thing. Just one of the many talents we possess.

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    ) Not to mention we‘re rather adept at shape-shifting as well. That “gamey” taste you noted? Bah! That ‘tweren’t gaminess, my fiery friend! That was gangrene! (bleeeecch!)

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    I suspect you’ve mistaken charred orc roadkill for balrog. Plus, as dragons age, their notoriously good eyesight can start to play tricks on ‘em. They sometimes tend to see what they want to see, ya know? Sigh. Happens to the best of ’em. But don’t fret. When the moment of doom comes, dragons seldom care what they scorch and consume anyway, so it’s hardly something to be concerned about.

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    All the same, DO drop a line next time you’re headed to Middle Earth. Been faarrrrrrr too long since we’ve had a decent bit of dragon for dinner. Been saving a special bottle of wine just for the occasion.

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    Now, y’all take care--hear?

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  19. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    Cris ...

    "I’ll accept your criticism gladly if you’ve also done the in-depth
    investigation necessary to reach an informed opinion. Have you?"


    Nix. Just had a mother who started out with Tarot cards, then got into
    astrology heavy like: Started to write a book on it, never finished it.

    Being the critical, 'doubting Thomas' that I am (even at a young age)
    I questioned the accuracy of any 'prediction' based on birth date,
    time, location, or whatever, since the individual had to have been acted
    upon by whatever forces since conception. Further, considering the
    wide variation in lengths of pregnancy, even two individuals born at
    the same moment, in the same place, could not have been acted upon
    by exactly the same forces for the same period of time.

    Mum never did come up with what I considered to be a reasonable
    answer ... So I wrote it off a pleasant game that seldom caused harm.

    Care to have a go at it?

    Take care

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    Counterbalance ...

    One thing I've noticed is that the more talented ones are also more
    curious than the 'run-of-the-mill' ones.

    This observation proved useful when age slowed down this dragon ...
    and craftiness came to the fore.

    Lay flopped down as though dead for a while, and this is the important
    part, leaving one's tongue hanging out. The r-o-t-m ones continue to
    avoid even a 'dead' dragon, but the curious, talented ones, who evidently
    have a taste for dragon's tongue,will eventually land and approach.

    Belch!!!! Burp!!!! Nothing like freshly seared balrog.

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    Take care (and avoid 'dead' dragons with their tongues lolling out)

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  21. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    I would say that the site you have found never thought that the ones who sought a reading of their personalities would ever compare notes. It is obvious that its data base is rather skimpy. Like many others have mentioned here I once was interested in astrology and tarot. Afterall if so many people are interested then maybe there was something to it. I have long ago thrown away the astronomical charts for planetary positions, ect.

    I did come to some conclusions about both of them though.

    A lot of people took a lot of time to document nuances of human behavor, characteristics, and their interactions. It has enough truth in the above items to fool people into thinking this is it. I have found a way to get hints on the future. Actually what they have found is that all peoples face common trials, tribulations, joys, and gains/losses. Doesn't matter the government, continent, or social status so much. Human interaction provides enough common basis that observation over a long period will give some simular grounds for the interactions. That people can be catagorized into groups that feel, react, and think in simular forms.

    One thing I did find of interest is that the tarot is reputed to be an early message cyphering device. One that could be given to a messenger with little fear of the message being intercepted and read.
     
  22. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Wet1, you placed yourself between a rock and a hard place...

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    It's comparing lemons with oranges.

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  23. wet1 Wanderer Registered Senior Member

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    Please tell me how?
     

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