JFK Assassination. Conspiracy?

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Was JFK's assassination orchestrated by a conspiracy?

  1. Yes. JFK was killed as part of a conspiracy

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  2. No. Lee Harvey Oswald did it on his own

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  3. I have no strong opinion either way.

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  1. Victor E Registered Senior Member

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    Only reason I vote conpiracy is because I like conspiracys

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  3. certified psycho Beware of the Shockie Monkey Registered Senior Member

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    So many different version so hard to keep track of it.
     
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  5. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    the only reason?
    how about this one:
    the u.s. congress determined that jfk's murder was probably the result of a conspiracy and recommended further inquiries
    but none was undertaken
     
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  7. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    The following dialogue has occurred.
    Is the last remark a reference to some source so well known that it need not be cited?

    Is the last remark an admission that there is no reputable source which states that the FBI has ballistic evidence showing that Oswald could not do it alone?

    Is the last remark a response to some other post, not related to the former two posts?
     
  8. qwerty mob Deicidal Registered Senior Member

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    http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/



    Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations of the U.S. House of Representatives

    Title Page, Commission Members, Transmittal Letter

    Summary of Findings and Recommendations

    Introduction

    I. Findings of the Select Committee on Assassination in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy

    I.A. Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at President John F. Kennedy. The second and third shots he fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President

    I.B. Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations


    I.C. The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee was unable to identify the other gunmen or the extent of the conspiracy

    I.D. Agencies and departments of the U.S. Government performed with varying degrees of competency in the fulfillment of their duties. President John F. Kennedy did not receive adequate protection. A thorough and reliable investigation into the responsibility of Lee Harvey Oswald for the assassination was conducted. The investigation into the possibility of conspiracy in the assassination was inadequate. the conclusions of the investigations were arrived at in good faith, but presented in a fashion that was too definitive
     
  9. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    Qwerty Mob: That congressional committee is probably as unreliable as the hearings run by McCarthy back in the 1950's.

    The purpose of congressional committees is often to satisfy the whims of constituents and/or in the belief that it will help win the next election. I would sooner trust the Warren Commission than any congressional committee.

    Nowhere did I see any reference to ballistic evidence in the citation provided. I have heard audio alleged to be from the assassination scene and could not decide what it indicated. Without two receivers, I know of no way to determine the direction of a sound.
     
  10. qwerty mob Deicidal Registered Senior Member

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    I CnP'd it to show the "no JFK conspiracy" meme is dead wrong. No pun intended.

    Folks who believe the Warren Report conclusion (on "Faith in Authority" alone, usually) that LHO was "the one gunman" often never learned that the HSCOA Report refutes that conclusion on a scientific basis.

    I'm about 40, but I didn't even learn of this until after the Iran-Contra conspiracy was revealed.

    ...

    The echoic audio analysis proves that more than three shots were fired, direction was not a consideration with it, the number of shots over a very short time is. The unedited Zapruder film clearly shows that the last shot fired must have come from in front of JFK and to the right.

    "Back and to the left"

    I am uncertain whether the HSCOA even considered that evidence.

    Or ballistics, AS IN, recovered slugs.

    ...

    The HSCOA certainly "enshrined the lies" surrounding the Warren Report, exhonerating them of misconduct.
     
  11. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    Ballistics experts performed test shots through animal flesh and bones with cloth covering. According to these tests some, but not all, of the Governor's wounds could be explained by a single bullet.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_bullet_theory


    A later official investigation by the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) was conducted from 1976 to 1979, and concluded that Oswald probably acted with at least one other person.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination
     
  12. 2+2=5 Registered Member

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    Yes it was conspiracy but this looks more belivable than the mafia
    Folow the money there must be SOMETHING there.
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    Kennedy's Solution

    President Kennedy recognized that our financial system was flawed. He planned to eliminate the Federal Reserve's contrived control mechanism on our future. He signed executive order 11110 as a first step.
    Executive Order 11110 issued on June 4, 1963 gave the President the Authority to order the United States Treasury "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." For every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce a certificate or warehouse receipt to be used as money. This followed IMO the constitution's requirement that the government provide the medium of exchange and it follows the coinage act requirements. Basing the monetary system on silver and not gold was also very important because silver is abundant and very difficult to control.

    Kennedy issued nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes and was introducing them into circulation, with a plan to continue until sufficient currency was in circulation to manage the flow of goods and services. The ramifications of this bill are enormous. President Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. When enough of his United States Notes were in circulation he would eliminate the Federal Reserve notes.

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    Executive Order 11,110

    AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289

    AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

    By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows:

    Section 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended- a. By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j): (j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12,1933, as amended (31 U.S.C.821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denomination of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption

    and --

    b. By revoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof.

    Section 2. The amendments made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue and may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.

    John F. Kennedy

    The White House,

    June 4, 1963.

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    Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level. The government would not have been able to increase debt and this would have curtailed its growth.

    Click here to see one of Kennedy's United States Notes

    Kennedy was assassinated just five months after installing this EO.

    EO 1110 was never repealed and is still valid. If we had started or continued Kennedy's Plan the debt would be nowhere near the current level, and we would have a financial system that would increase currency levels without increasing the debt and its inflationary interest. We would escape the trap of the irreversible transfer of wealth from the debtors to the lenders giving up all our assets to the Federal Reserve.

    Perhaps the assassination of JFK was a warning to future presidents who would think to eliminate the U.S. debt by eliminating the Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money. Mr. Kennedy challenged the government of money by challenging the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to drive up debt - war and the creation of money by a privately owned central bank.
     
  13. Anomalous Banned Banned

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    2+2=5

    Thats an Anomaly.




    So who owns the Federal Reserves

    And what is exactly this Federal
     
  14. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    That paragraph on wiki is uncited, which is disappointing.
    I really am interested in where you heard that "the fbi's own ballistic experts proved that oswald could not do the shooting alone", because I'd like to know if it's true.

    Have a look at John Macadam's Single Bullet Theory page. In particular, read the "Why not Experiment" section. I'd rank the reliability and bias of this page on about an equivalent level to the current Wikipedia pages.
     
  15. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    Leaving aside the actual political purposes of the committee, it should be noted that the conclusions were largely based on the acoustic analysis of the dictabelt tape. As I said before, it seems that the analysis of this tape isn't as conclusive as was once thought. Wikipedia and John Macadams both have some discussion on this topic, some of which is cited, although I find it difficult to judge the reliability of the cited sources.
     
  16. qwerty mob Deicidal Registered Senior Member

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    To whom?

    By whom?
     
  17. leopold Valued Senior Member

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  18. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    To me, obviously

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    But me among others, of course - start with the summary and references on the Wikipedia article: Dictabelt evidence relating to the assassination of John F. Kennedy)

    By the HSCA and those who advised them on the issue (Dr David Barger, Dr Mark Weiss, and Dr Ernest Aschkenasy). I thought that was pretty clear from the context?
     
  19. qwerty mob Deicidal Registered Senior Member

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    Source? If you're going to state that the acoustic evidence isn't "as conclusive" to those persons, or isn't as objective and compelling as it ever was, I'd like some of their newer ANALYSIS, not newer BELIEFS.

    As for the audience of your assessment, it wasn't obvious. If you thought it was, there we both have their worth, in differing degrees of confidence.

    It's certainly incongruent with whom you are supposing has dropped the acoustic evidence as useful.

    Thanks for clearing that up...?
     
  20. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    Online sources can be found on the first page of the thread, [post=993447]in this post[/post].

    The first link has a clear anti-conspiracy bias. Ignore it if you like.
     
  21. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    pete
    do you realize how difficult it would be to murder the president?
    i mean think about this, put yourself in the murderers shoes
     
  22. Pete It's not rocket surgery Registered Senior Member

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    Is that why you think there was a conspiracy? Lee wasn't smart or lucky enough?
     
  23. alexb123 The Amish web page is fast! Valued Senior Member

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    Why would it be difficult? Oswald popped his head out of the window of HIS work place window and shot him. He had the gun, the opportunity and the motivation he just had to wait for him to drive by. JFK was in an open top car it would not have been that hard for anyone to shot him. You would never see Bush or anyone else of importance in an open top car these days.
     

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