How Much of History is Bullshit?

Discussion in 'History' started by PsychoticEpisode, Sep 24, 2006.

  1. Walter L. Wagner Cosmic Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    Your take on the churches of the world today is quite similar to mine. And it is downright scary to think that some of those might end up possessing nuclear weapons that literally would fall into their hands.

    However, I do believe some of the churches are moving away from their 'anti-science' stand. The catholic church supposedly has its own telescope and astronomical observatory, and now no longer asserts that mankind arose a mere 6,000 years ago (as do some of the other 'churches', such as the one Ice Age likely adheres to). Other 'protestant' churches likewise embrace science, or at least aspects of it.

    Ultimately, as they say, true science and true religion are one and the same, and essentially it is all a search for the truth.

    Unlike many in science, I find the Bible fascinating with respect to its history of the people of Israel. Not only are the stories rich in detail and full of meaning, many appear quite plausible and I'm certain are likely correct in much detail. It appears quite probable that Joshua and his army actually did fight giant men, and that 1,000 years later, his descendants including David fought remnants of those people, including Goliath. It certainly does suggest that archaeologists should search to find any remnants of giant men (as you've indicated once existed), which would go a long ways to substantiating the stories of the Bible and your claims.

    Unfortunately, the Bible only relates to one group of people, and as we know, there were many other groups all over the globe at that time period, so we get a very incomplete picture of things.
     
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  3. IceAgeCivilizations Banned Banned

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    Hey Walter, you say the Bible's good history back at least 1500 B.C., so how far back do you think it's good history?
     
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  5. Walter L. Wagner Cosmic Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    Starting with when they started writing it down as they went, instead of passing it down word-of-mouth from generation to generation. Even then, I did not say it is accurate or good history - just likely close in some areas, particularly the journey of the Exodus seems quite plausible.
     
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  7. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

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    In the first generations following the deluge, the whole world was of one language and belief, under the protection and care of Jove.
    Not the Roman god Jove, but the Hebrew God Jehovah.
    What happened next in history, explains how so many different gods and cultures arose so quickly all with their own "flood stories" and different Noah's.

    How many cultures have had a "Mother and Child" as the objects of adoration.?
    Do you know?
    In Egypt there was a mother and son called Isis and Osiris.
    In India it was Isi and Iswara. (Note the similarity of names even.)
    In Asia it was Cybele and Deoius.
    In Rome and in Greece it followed suit.....China as well.

    Well, imagine the surprise of some Roman Catholic missionaries as they entered China and found there a Madonna and Child with rays of light emanating from the head of the babe.
    The image could well have been exchanged for one in the Vatican except for the difference of certain facial features.

    If you attempt to trace back to the original mother and child, it was from the goddess-mother of Babylon.

    She was Semiramis who was called Rhea in the eastern countries.
    In her arms she held a son, who though a babe, was described as tall, strong, handsome and especially captivating to the women.

    In Ezekiel 8:14 he was called Tammuz.
    Amongst classical writers he was called Bacchus.
    To the Babylonians he was Ninus.
    What accounts for the fact that he is represented as a babe in arms and yet described as a great and mighty man is that he is known as the "Husband-Son".

    One of his titles was "Husband of the Mother", and in India where the two are known as Iswara and Isi, he (the husband) is represented as the babe at the breast of his own wife.

    That this Ninus is the Nimrod of the Bible we can affirm by comparing history with the Genesis account.
    Pompeius said, "Ninus, king of Assyria, changed the ancient moderate ways of life by the desire for conquest.
    HE WAS THE FIRST WHO CARRIED WAR AGAINST HIS NEIGHBORS.
    He conquered all nations from Assyria to Lybia as these men knew not the arts of war."
    Diodorus says, "Ninus was the most ancient of Assyrian kings mentioned in history.
    Being of warlike disposition he trained many young men rigorously in the arts of war.
    He brought Babylonia under him while yet there was no city of Babylon." Thus we see this Ninus started to become great in Babylon, built Babel and took over Assyria, becoming its king, and then proceeded to devour other vast territories where the people were unskilled in war and lived in a moderate way.

    In Genesis 10, speaking of the kingdom of Nimrod it says, "And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh in the land of Shinar.
    Out of that land went forth Asshur and builded Nineveh, and Calah etc."
    But the translators made a mistake in translating Asshur as a noun for it is a verb, and in the Chaldee means 'to make strong.'

    Thus it is Nimrod, who having been made strong (he established his kingdom by building the world's first army which he trained by drilling and through the rigors of hunting) went beyond Shinar with his strong army and subdued nations and built such cities as Nineveh, which was named after him, for even today a chief part of the ruins of that city is called Nimroud!

    Since we have discovered who Ninus was, it is now necessary to discover who his father was. According to history it was Bel, the founder of Babylon. (Now it is to be noted here that Bel founded it in the sense that he started this whole move, but it was the son, Ninus, that established it and was the first king etc.) But according to the Scripture, the father of Nimrod was Cush: "And Cush begat Nimrod." Not only is this so but we find that Ham begat Cush. Now, in the Egyptian culture Bel was called Hermes, and Hermes means, "THE SON OF HAM". According to history Hermes was the great prophet of idolatry. He was the interpreter of the gods. Another name by which he was called was Mercury. (Read Acts 14:11-12)

    So from this record we can see how polytheism in different cultures developed out of the belief in one God and was split up to create different religions that could be used to send men to war against one another.
    This sets forth historical proof that the world suffered a total annihilation and a deluge that only one family survived and, all nations, religions and cultures on Earth today can be traced to them.
     
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  8. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

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    I left out ancestor worship, worship of the sun, all the "host" of heaven, serpent worship and chaos worship didn't I?

    Don't get too excited just yet....they tie into this too.
    Just ran out of room.
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    Remember we know Cush is the son of Ham who is a son (the rebellious one) of Noah.
    Cush, then, was the father of the polytheistic system and when men were deified by men, he of course, became the father of the gods.
    Now Cush was called Bel. And Bel in Roman mythology was Janus.

    He is pictured as having two faces and he carried a club by which he confounded and "scattered" the people.
    Ovid writes that Janus said concerning himself, "the ancients called me Chaos".
    Thus we find that the Cush of the Bible, the original rebel against monotheism was called Bel, Belus, Hermes, Janus, etc. amongst the ancient peoples.
    There's the origin of "chaos worship"

    He purported to bring revelations and interpretations from the gods to the people.
    In so doing he caused the wrath of God to scatter the people, bringing division and confusion.
    Now up to this point we have seen whence polytheism or the worship of many gods came.
    But did you notice that we also found a mention of a man named Cush who was given a title of "the father of the gods."?
    Did you notice here the old theme of ancient mythologies, that gods identify themselves with men?
    That is where ancestor worship comes from.

    So we might just examine history to find out about ancestor worship.
    Well, it was brought out that Cush introduced a three god worship of father, son and spirit.
    Three gods who were all equal. But he knew about the seed of the woman coming, so there would have to be a woman and her seed come into the picture.
    This was brought to pass when Nimrod died.
    His wife, Semiramis deified him, and thus made herself the mother of the son and also the mother of the gods. (Just exactly as the Roman church has deified Mary. They claim she was without sin and was the Mother of God.)
    She (Semiramis) called Nimrod "Zeroashta" which means, "the woman's promised seed".

    It wasn't too long until the woman began to attract more attention than the son, and soon she was the one who was depicted as trampling underfoot the serpent.

    They called her "the queen of the heaven" and made her divine.
    How like today wherein Mary, the mother of Jesus, has been elevated by the church to immortality calling her..."Mary the Mediatrix," "Mary the Mother of All Believers," or "Mother of the Church."

    If there was ever Babylonish ancestor worship in a religion, it is the religion of the Church of Rome.
    Not only was ancestor worship originated in Babylon but so also was the worship of nature.
    It was in Babylon the gods were identified with the sun and moon, etc.

    The chief object in nature was the sun which has light giving and heat giving properties and appears to man as a ball of fire in the heavens.
    Thus the chief god would be the sun god whom they called Baal.
    Often the sun was depicted as a circle of flame and soon around that flame there appeared a serpent.

    It wasn't long until the serpent became a symbol of the sun and consequently worshiped.
    Thus the desire of Satan's heart became full-fledged.
    He was worshiped as God. His throne was established.
    His slaves bowed to him.

    In ancient Pergamos in the form of a living serpent he was worshiped.
    The tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, now symbolized in the form of a living serpent had not only seduced Eve but the majority of mankind.

    Serpent worship, Sun god worship, Ancestor worship, Chaos worship........
    All from the same source.
     
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