A Fascist Bitch Slap: The Golden Dawn Party Gets International Attention!!

A Greek political member of The Golden Dawn Party, who Western media wrongly claims is fascist (they are Socialist) was caught on television slapping a member of another Greek Political Party.

The Slap That Got My Attention

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Would you slap a woman in the face who threatened to enslave your country further and your nation's children thereafter?

The smart mouth paper throwing threatening woman is fine, as you can see from another youtube video, she suffered a little Rosacea is all, but the party member is being sought for criminal assault.

Anyway, until that slap in the face, I didn't know about the Golden Dawn Party. I think the slap was unprofessional, but it did wake me up to a party which the Western press seems to hate, after seeing all the hate links on Google. I gave them a chance by letting them tell me what their platform is. I checked out their platform link. After reading that, I like them. It looks like Greece has hope!

In a nutshell this is what has happened to Greece: Their politicians responsible for Greece's mess have promoted increasing imports and shutting down local production, which outrageously increased their debt. Their banking system is under the control of predators. They have also opened the door to immigrants without the consent of the country which puts a huge humanitarian burden on them. The EU is only offering a predatory lending agreement, which would enslave them further.

The Golden Dawn party offers a technocratic response to this:

- Similar to Iceland, Golden Dawn will prosecute the people who put them in this financial mess. Additionally, they will drain those people's bank accounts of that corrupt money. This is the criminal science way of doing things.

- Golden Dawn will nationalize the banks, which gives them leverage to remove the predatory policies existing in bank policy. Banks have a very significant role in controlling the countries ability to protect against inside and outside predatory principles. Technocratic Economics removes abject capitalist predatory practices resulting in debt free growth.

- Golden Dawn will nationalize the oil and fossil fuels. This takes the control out of private individuals from wasting profits in ways that aren't for the betterment of Greece and stops outside energy companies from having control over Greece's ability to sustain itself. Controlling ones own resources is very wise and a Technocratic choice. Control of energy is tantamount to sustainability and progress.

- Golden Dawn will also remove all illegal immigrants. They will imprison illegal immigrants who break the law and make them work to pay off their restitution and then send them away. Again, sound criminal science.

Apparently no other party is even close to the fundamental positions, which are logically the only way to avoid being subordinated by the predatory methods that put them in that situation. I wish America had a Golden Dawn Party. Our criminal politicians and their financial supporters are allowing us to be enslaved through debt to other nations and allowing real estate predators to push for and increase Rentership Society which means more international investments in rentals which turns Americans into permanent slaves to welfare royalties. The biggest bill for an American is housing, which means more parasites suck on the Lion Share bill eternally until we nationalize all housing contracts by giving equity to all tennants/buyers and securing the equity from gambling, loan, and loss.

When considering the contextual economic tension, and degree of trouble Greece faces, is a slap in the face too much for someone who will enslave your nation with their policies?

 

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That's not what happened, though. They were all insulting one another, and he was called a "fascist" and one of them made a reference to a court case he's facing. That was what caused him to throw the water. And when the woman batted him with a limp newspaper, he started hitting her. You condone that? That's disgusting.

And yes, they are fascists. They're neo-Nazi thugs who dress bigotry up in national pride (where have we heard that before??) and you should probably avoid backing them if you want to retain any credibility you might have.

 

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You are arguing the minutia, and ignoring the context. Those women represent ideas that will keep Greece subjugated. If you want to ignore the magnitude of that, you will be viewed as too simple minded for the broader understanding.

Credibility? Oh, I'm so scared of not belonging to the American political status quo. Let me tell you something about the popular attitude, the one that is acceptable by the general American public. The present political attitude is funded by the parasites who used theft to get their position of economic influence. They use that money to decide who to push as a politician. Those politicians bow to these parasites or they risk their lives or reputations. What is the effect of this political attitude on the economy? It's an attitude of Failure. It's ruining the economy in America and in Greece. It's parasitic by nature and I don't need to be included in the popular political loser vogue!

Yes I back a real party that has non-parasitic aims. Golden Dawn is a real man's party. It cares about it's country, it's people. It demands fair policies for it's people. It's out to protect the young and old. There are a few things I don't agree with Golden Dawn (putting land mines down on their border to stop immigration), but I agree with every point I posted. They don't have everything I want in a party, but they have the most practical promise. I never seen any political party like them in my life. I've only read about such heroes. I don't see anything claiming they belong to the Nazi party. That is bullshit you are making up. Name one statement from their platform on their website that says they claim Neo-Nazi. What is Neo-Nazi in their platform and tell us why that one thing is so bad. I ask you to pick one thing, that's it. Choose wisely! Give the best thing you can find on their page. You are going to loose!

You pull out your anti-Semitic, fascist, Hitler, bullshit propaganda to defend those who push the parasitic policies that ruin governments. All you are doing is using the argument the parasites in control use to try to keep the Nationalist and Technocratic solutions at bay.

In Greece in particular, they have a Troika and a puppet for parliament that just nods to the EU. They don't have Democracy. The people have no power to change things through a vote. So what do you expect when those predators have subjugated them to ruin and now only offer a predatory bailout? Of course they are called Fascist or Nazi, because Nationalism as a policy will trample parasite policies. And, without a proper Democracy you leave the people no choice but with the old fashion form of democracy: voting with a fist. Violence is acceptable when you are prosecuting criminals who have ruined a country and won't let go of the countries controls which are enslaving more generations.

 

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I had thought your post was about that flag! Isn't this golden sunshine party beating all of us over the head with the not-at-all sublime here, and blowing into our backdoor? What!? Do they think no one will notice??? :wtf:

 

Meandros is the symbol you are looking at. It is an ornamental pattern, esp as used in ancient Greek architecture.

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Ancient, means pre-Hitler. You are confusing something else with where the Golden sun don't shine. You are sensing the existing parasitic elite. They are they ones who are known to bend people over in that way. Don't play dumb.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meander_(art)

 

And what's this symbol, then?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/HA1cover.jpg

Do a little more reading, bub. You claim they aren't fascists, but instead Socialist, as if those are opposing concepts. The fact is that even they claim to be authoritarian, saying they owe their ideology more to that of Ioannis Metaxas than Adolph Hitler--although, their iconography is decidedly Nazistico, they are antisemitic, and have a penchant for vandalism depicting both of those aspects of their ideology.

As to whether or not you care how you are perceived by the American political regulars, I don't blame you for that attitude. I don't brand myself with the mark of any political party, nor do I pretentiously claim to be "an independent." But what you're advocating here is authoritarianism. Dictatorship. Most probably of the fascistic variety. You're throwing in with people who blow up buildings and murder innocents. They may claim to want to remove illegal immigrants for the "betterment of the nation," but in reality it's because they think those outsiders are lesser beings, as evidenced by their dehumanization of them. These are bigots and terrorists, not revolutionaries.

And please stop pretending he hit that woman or threw his drink in the face of another because he thinks they're trying to "enslave his children." That's a bunch of crap. He did it because he's a petty, childish piece of shit. Oh, and he fled the scene, too, so we add "cowardly" to the charges. If his acts really were the principled stance of a principled man, then he would stuck around to defend himself. Instead, he ran like a common criminal, which is exactly what he is.

 

Yeah, and my Aunt Fanny was also an ancient Greek!

 

Acceptable? I said it was unprofessional. Don't you lie about what I said. I never said acceptable. Is this how you argue, paraphrase and exaggerate at the same time. You are a liar when you do that.

I will say this, in consideration of the entire Greek context. I would smack the shit out of a woman who supported parasitic policy that is doing what is being done to the Greeks. But, since I don't think it's effective way to handle things, I wouldn't. It's not that I find it wrong, because I think they have it comming. Rather, there are more intelligent ways to handle people like this. Imprisonment for treasonous ideas. You see Bells, I am not so simple minded. I see the big picture and what's happening to the poor children who suffer under these idiots. They are born into economic slavery created by parasites who govern their policy. They never get a chance. I know what it's like. I was a victim of such policy. They deserve more than a slap.

 

Not just guys. Women too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIKdN4elW1w&feature=related

 

Only white women, apparently. You're comfortable with an openly racist organization?

 

What is the Golden Dawn going to do about the trade deficit...impose tariffs, quotas?

Do they want to reinstate the drachma?

Do they want just ONE state owned bank for the entire nation?

 

It's the platform that matters most, not the enemies insults or misinterpretations of symbolism.

Graffiti is done by fringe groups, not the mainliners.

Where are the anti-Semitic claims on their platform page anyway? You obsess on a lie so much you make that bigger than the real things they stand for, their platform. You are guilty of prejudice.

Why not pick one platform issue, instead of a lie, and argue against that?

You are still ignoring the context. People go into a debate with a history with each other's ideas. They are pissed before they show up. In the Greek situation, things are at a catastrophic tipping point. Tension is very high. The commies in the room offer an attitude that will keep Greece controlled and subjugated. If you understand this, feel this, this will stir anger in a sane person before anyone opens their mouth.

 

It's not only white women. By coincidence real Greeks are Aryan. Again, you look at one little thing that can be negatively construed and extrapolate it upon the whole. You are prejudice.

Their platform is only against people who are not legal immigrants. Ok. You got that! Yes, the gate of immigration was opened up on the against their will and many non-Greeks are not white, but many are and will have to go too. They must go because they are illegal, not because of their skin color. People of color can stay if are legal. Read their platform.

 

I don't know actually what they'll do. I don't see the platform addresses those ideas, at least on the site.

They are planning increasing local production and that logically will work with trade restrictions on those products. That will slow down the deficit. The outrageous deficit was pushed on them intentionally to subjugate them, which in my view was illegal. (They want to incarcerate these people, yippy, I love that shit! But, I am a saw six fan, so I wouldn't be so nice.

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) Some of the deficit in light of this attempt to enslave them is cause for debt forgiveness. They will have to make this obvious to the world. This kind of investigation could lead to a domino effect and bring down the parasitic hold these idiots have on other countries.

I would bring it back myself, and electronically, no paper. You can control immigration without landmines that way. A digital photo id currency with lots security measure to stop fraud. This is a chance to do something very nice for themselves, because they will have authoritarian powers. Cowards unwilling to fight like Golden Dawn will never get this chance to bring Greece out of control of parasites and set up such nice things. They'll be stiffled with bureaucratic strangulation.

That's sounds like good way to make sure things are under control. Order must arrive out the chaos that created the problem.

 

Right, the platform. The platform that calls for landmines to be planted along the Turkish border to prevent illegal immigrants from crossing over, the platform of white Greek supremacy, etc.. Yes, the platform.

Interesting that you'd claim to know that. So you're saying they're too busy slapping women, lynching ethnic minorities, and murdering leftist opposition?

What makes you think their antisemitism is a lie? Because it's not on their platform page? You don't think I might have found it in the Holocaust denial and Hitler worship of the party's leader?

Or that I might have found it in their Nazi iconography? Okay, the Maeander is Greek, but you're lying to yourself if you claim to not see the wink and nod here:

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Or in their use of the Nazi salute? Oh, okay, I'm sure you'll say "But it's the Roman salute!" Yeah, it was the Roman salute when the Nazis used it, too. The Maeander, the eagle, the salute, the Holocaust denial, the white supremacy--you don't see the pattern here?

I wouldn't care if they offered me a lifetime supply of blowjibbers, I'm not supporting a group of Neo Nazi hatemongers.

This is hyperbole, of course. Even though we all know the failings of Communism, to call what they do "subjugation" is merely your way of excusing his actions. In order for him to be justified in acting like a thug, his very freedom must be at stake, so that's the story you go with. Just like the Golden Dawn must dehumanize immigrants and minorities in order to justify their atrocities against them. It's typical bigot nonsense. You must be proud.

 

It walks like a duck, it quacks like a duck...

 

I don't agree with landmines. So, you don't need to bother me with that shit I already told you that. You are not making any sense about the platform here either.

Again, abject focusing on fringe group activities. Not their platform. You are very consistent in making inductively weak arguments. A small group of their supporters somehow usurps everything they stand for.

Auschwitz is bullshit and is proven to be a lie. But, there are ignorant people who still believe the world is flat too and a guy who peeks out of the clouds judging if you are naughty or nice, sending you to heaven or hell. I used believe that Holocaust bullshit taught here in America until the engineers and scientists show me how to measure things. I used to believe big passenger airliners crashed into the World Trade Centre, until engineers and scientists proved that to be bullshit. BTW, denying the holocaust is not the same as being anti-Semitic. Plenty of Jews deny the holocaust and they are not anti-Semitic! It is possible to be a scientific reasoner and not hate Jews. Is this news to you?

You are reading way too much into things. Subtext is so Hollywood. Your historically proven incorrect already.

I see your pattern. You kiss the ass of the parasites who subjugated Greece into the situation by going against the only party that has the balls and real plan to get Greece out the mess. You misrepresent the historical symbols from culture, call them German Nazi symbols. You use lies from the media and fringe group activities to form your opinion of them. You refuse to even address them by their platform, which is why they are being taken seriously in Greece. If they were everything you say they are and nothing else, they could not have made it into Parliament.

Jews have fringe groups that are an embarrassment to Jews. Democrats and Republicans and Christians, Blacks, Homosexuals, etc. etc, all have embarrassing fringe groups as well. These fringe groups all swear allegiance to their respective groups. We could use your abject logic to condemn the group as a whole based on their fringe groups and ignore the basic tenets of their faiths and doctrines, ideals, general beliefs, etc. How can't you see how prejudicial and ignorant you look to make such inductively weak claims?

 

You didn't tell me you disagreed with the landmines. That's news to me.

Who says these are fringe group activities? The leader of the party himself is up on charges for this kind of thing. Their spokesman just slapped a woman on live television and then ran from authorities. I mean, if you mean by "fringe group" the whole flipping organization, then yeah. They're pretty fringe.

And what they stand for is white supremacy and death to outsiders.

Oh, so you're a Holocaust denier too! Oh, man, see, I made the mistake of thinking I was dealing with a naive young rebel rather than a degenerate antisemite. That's my mistake. Won't happen again, I promise.

You're a Truther, too? Oh, man, you're like a pinata of bad ideas! Where's my stick?

But yes, you're right, the act of Holocaust denial does not by itself mean you're antisemitic. It means you're a complete idiot, and only probably means you're antisemitic. But that, along with your support of the Golden Dawn, and your Trutherism (which very nicely lends itself to antisemitism, as you might guess) and the picture becomes clear.

Right, so you're saying the Roman salute, the almost-Swastika, the iron eagle, the fact that the party's bookstore sells books celebrating Hitler and the Nazi cause, are all coincidental? That they mean nothing?

Who the hell do you think you're kidding?

Yeah, by killing Jews and other ethnic minorities because the Aryan race is superior! Woot!

Wait, you're telling me that this is not a Nazi symbol?

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Really? That's not a Nazi symbol? Oh, and I totally forgot about the Celtic cross, which the Nazis used also, and is now being used by the Golden Dawn. You mean to tell me these aren't Nazi images?

I'm getting most of this stuff right from the Golden Dawn themselves. Their imagery isn't hard to find. I even linked you to a video of the leader himself explaining his stance. This is the second time now you've referred to the actions of the party leader as "fringe group activities." And for the last time, will you explain how you know this?

Right, and Hitler never could have made it into Parliament if he was everything people were saying he was. Oh, wait...

They're taking seats because the country has gone to shit. When the chips are down, even bad ideas begin to sound good, so long as the rhetoric is right. Tea Party politicians got elected here in the US for the same reason. If everything was hunkey-dorey nobody would listen to people screaming for radical change.

Hitler played the same tune in his rise to power. Like the Golden Dawn with the Memorandum, Hitler gained massive popularity by criticizing the Treaty of Versailles. He, like the GD, preached the supremacy of the Aryan race and promoted racial purity. It appears this Nikolaos Michaloliakos guy is modeling the party after the Nazi party. I mean, the old literature, an image of which can be found on Wiki, shows an actual Swastika on the cover.

Here's what I see: I see someone who just learned of Golden Dawn's existence five minutes ago claiming to know that the thuggery, terrorism, and murder they commit is all a media-driven lie and the acts of "fringe groups" the party does not associate with. Leaving aside the paradox of an act both not actually happening and being perpetrated by fringe groups, we're left with someone who clearly has no clue what they're talking about. You don't know who sprayed the graffiti, but you claim to know anyway. You don't know that the media is lying about them, but claim to know anyway.

Their doctrine is one of hate. It's of racial superiority. The party itself--in its ideals, iconography, even its mannerisms--is a celebration of the Nazi party. It's bookstore sells tomes celebrating Hitler and his conquest. They don't want the removal of immigrants, they want the death of immigrants. They want the subjugation of immigrants. They want to fortify their military and launch a campaign to retake Cyprus--and from there, where? What's to stop an ideologue with power and ambition?