What is a scientific reason to believe in AIDS?

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  1. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    What scientific reasons do we have to believe in AIDS? Is the idea that "everyone knows" enough to justify this belief, and is that scientific? Or is there a chain of evidence that we can follow to an inescapable conclusion? Does AIDS satisfy the test that its supporting theories are falsifiable?
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I cannot believe this well studied disease is a myth, but I'm not a doctor.
     
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  5. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    I think it takes a little more than that, Spidergoat.
     
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  7. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    Everyone has and Immune system. People with aIDs have an Immune system which is Defficient. They were not born this way, but Acquired this problem. Hence, it is reasonable to say they have an Acquired Immune Defficiency, is it not.?

    You probably want to know why do we think HIV is viral, so I will answer that:

    One reasons is that the only medical agents that signifivcantly help are anti-viral agents.

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  8. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    From The American Heritage Science Dictionary:
    AIDS
    All steps of this process can be tested and are tested.

    In itself AIDS is not a theory as you claim. It's the onset of a set of symptoms and infections typical of a person carrying the HIV virus. It's a disease.

    HIV being the cause of AIDS is the theoretical part, or should I say was. It is the consensus of HIV/AIDS research that HIV does cause AIDS.

    Stating AIDS is not caused by HIV is comparable to stating evolution does not exist.

    Both are extremely well researched topics with a vast body of work behind them.

    If you are interested to see an introduction to HIV and AIDS be sure to start with general sources such as wikipedia.

    pubmed books or a textbook can also be recommended to learn more about lentiviruses in general and HIV specifically.
     
  9. The Devil Inside Banned Banned

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    i know someone with aids.

    good enough?
     
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    What is a scientific reason to believe in Crohn's Disease?
     
  11. Roman Banned Banned

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    What is a scientific reason to believe in smallpox?
     
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  13. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    "An infectious disease of the immune system caused by an human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)"

    The beginning of the idea of an Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome is of course the definition of same. I do not believe that a good definition of an Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome would include a single cause of that syndrome. The words behind the acronym "AIDS" are pretty much self-explanatory. "Acquired" means that the patient gets it from somewhere. Radiation was one of the big known causes of immune deficiency before 1981. So was syphilis. There are also simple physical exhaustion, starvation, dehydration, chemical exposures like immune suppressing drugs and various chemicals found in industrial settings, and diseases like malaria.

    A scientific definition of AIDS is not valid if the definition says that it has to be caused by one particular thing. It's too obvious. It is not valid to claim that the virus can be infered by the symptoms when the symptoms can be caused by other causes of immune suppression, and when the symptoms can be caused by other known diseases.

    If we are not working with a valid definition of AIDS, there is nowhere to go.
     
  14. Syzygys As a mother, I am telling you Valued Senior Member

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    Here is a very non-scientific experience for the OP:

    Have repeated really rough sex without protection including bites into your skin with a HIV positive person. Report back 3 months later...
     
  15. Roman Banned Banned

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    You don't think all those causes were looked at and ruled out?
    Jesus you're dense.
     
  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Well, the fact that thousands of people have died from it is a hint...

    The cause of AIDS is the HIV virus.

    Yes. HIV is sexually transmitted, and also transmitted through blood contact.

    All these are easily distinguished from HIV.

    Wrong. The scientific definition of AIDS says that it is the syndrome associated with the HIV virus.

    Correct. That's why tests are made for the presence of the virus.

    True.

    Well, that's sorted then.
     
  17. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Why do you say that the cause of AIDS is the HIV virus?

    What about all the other known causes of immune suppression? When those causes have known mechanisms, when the cause and effect can be proven repeatedly, there is no reason to blame all or even most cases of immune suppression on HIV. There is no reason to define AIDS as the disease caused by HIV.
     
  18. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    I'm afraid you just turn a blind eye to the data available now. I don't really feel that there is a respond to provide any data to you because it is rather obvious you will dismiss all data.

    Do you really feel that you are being objective on the matter.

    If I showed you an experiment where t-cells were grow in culture in combination with the HIV virus in the medium, and it was clear from this experiment that HIV was able to enter the cells and affect them, would you believe it?
     
  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Because that's the definition of AIDS.

    What about them?

    Right. We only blame HIV when HIV is present.

    It's as good a name as any.
     
  20. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    Circular reasoning, James. It isn't AIDS by that definition if it doesn't include the HIV virus. Such a definition assumes what should have to be proven. What does Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome mean? Every one of those words has a meaning, and put together, they do not point to a one cause/one disease definition. An immune deficiency is just as "acquired" if it is caused by X-rays or selenium deficiency.
     
  21. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    So, argue it with the NHF, or something.
     
  22. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    James, we need to make our own decisions without the government's help.
     
  23. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Good. I've decided you are a dangerous moron, now piss off.
     

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