Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Spellbound, Aug 16, 2016.
“Immortality is the prime objective of the ultimate human. Would you choose it and why?”
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Is this you asking a question, or simply you posting a quote (given the quotation marks). If the latter, who is it from and to what end are you quoting it?
If the former: who says it is the objective? And I would choose it, yes. Because I think I will always want to see what the future is like.
I woud choose immortality... but like now... i woud still want the option to opt out from existence if i chose to do so.!!!
Aye, but I'm sure there would always be a part of me that, knowing I could carry on if I wanted to, wants to see what happens the next day... Like bingeing on an HBO series... just need to watch 1 more episode, even if it is 3am and I have to leave for work at 7am! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
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It appears to be your personal wish thing ? If not can you lead me to any source which talks of immortality as the prime objective?
Immortality doesn't entail protection from a condition of eternal misery or very long durations of such. (Tales about the trick-consequences of the Genie's three wishes or the fine print of a devil's contract are stale allegories of such). The possibility of either lengthy or unending misery is why a person who grew up under fire and brimstone preaching later celebrates liberation from belief in Hell. I.e., via becoming an atheist and rejecting even a supposed pleasant variety of immortality along with the other is ironically deemed a blessing.
Also, there's the question of what kind of identity or what part of it would actually being rendered immortal. The only indestructible identity is one that's completely resistant to change or the experience of changing. But "life" in the active, everyday "going through it" sense is enslaved to change. It doesn't involve a static condition of _X_ sitting dormant on a shelf, absolute and free from the mutability of relationships to other things / conditions.
Becoming is a feature of life -- whether such is in the context of time, the shifting POV or orientation of connections, the additions and substractions which modify some supposed original state, etc. The process of living doesn't necessarily maintain any core identity properties unless it's an overall theme like "having a structural form". The specifics which the generalities of its definition subsumes don't have to survive millions of years of change, and yet it's those specifics which one probably most identifies with, that distinguish one from others, which makes each individual or personality distinct.
"Life" seems intrinsic to the concept of immortality (when not referencing mere fame). When immortality means deathlessness, it concerns the opposite of death (life). But immortality thereby does not have to be about preserving "WHO I consider myself to be". It need merely preserve the "what" of a living system (the personality riding on it can gradually or even suddenly be replaced by a multitude of others over the eons).
O well sure... id hang on to existence no mater what to watch anuther episode of Game of Thrones or Deadwood type show.!!!
As to the other... when i was 20 an on a date it was 3 am an i kept tellin her... i gotta go now... gotta be at work at 7:00 Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!... an i ask what time she had to be at work an she said... im off tomorrow Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
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The goddess Eos fell in love with her(mortal) trojan lover Tithonus
Eos asked Zeus to make Tithonus immortal, she forgot to ask for eternal youth (218-38). Tithonus indeed lived forever
but when loathsome old age pressed full upon him, and he could not move nor lift his limbs, this seemed to her in her heart the best counsel: she laid him in a room and put to the shining doors. There he babbles endlessly, and no more has strength at all, such as once he had in his supple limbs. (Homeric Hymn to Aphrodite)
In later tellings he eventually turned into a cicada, eternally living, but begging for death to overcome him...
We are what we are.
Satisfaction is at hand.
Let me reach first one hundred with good health then ask me about immortality .
I don't think immortality is the prime objective of humans, rather I think finding peace within one's self is. That might be harder to do for some than finding a ''cure'' for mortality. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
"finding peace within one's self"... what do you mean by that.???
Um, could mean different things to different people, but for me, it's about not feeling the need to prove yourself to others, you're happy in your own life. It's not about finding peace outside of yourself, it's about being happy inside. Being at peace to the point of not chasing the wrong things in life to bring you peace. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Cool... then i thank ive found my peace... how about you.???
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It is? It might suggest an unhealthy attachment to the self and a fear of the self ever disappearing.
'Ultimate' why? How would an 'ultimate' human differ from a mundane human like me?
I'd like to have a longer life, sure. But immortal? Probably not. Everything would just get... boring. If I'd already lived for a billion years and it was just getting started... it would be a curse, not a blessing.
There's another problem with immortality: memory. If I added new memories constantly but never lost any, the mass of memories would finally crush my awareness of the present. The present would be insignificant compared to the past. But if I gradually forgot the old memories, then eventually my very distant past would be erased entirely, and long with it, the person I had been then (defined by his interests, loves and concerns). So the individual at any temporal stage of my life wouldn't be immortal at all. but would just fade in and out of existence as defining memories are acquired and lost. It would be something akin to a subtle kind of eternal reincarnation, I guess.
Ultimate = the last = beyond which there is no other.
If I were the immortal ultimate human, it would seem that I would get lonely, then, much like Tithonus begging for death to overcome him, I too might well wish for mortality.
In my estimation, Spellbound, most humans would probably rank "Eternal Youth" above simple "Immortality" as an objective.
However, in all honesty, from all that I have been privy to - both would seem to "get old" fairly quickly - at least when measured on any "Immortal" or "Eternal" time scale.
Besides, there is every possibility that attaining true internal "Peace" may just provide an individual an "Immortality" of sorts.
Seein the future unfold hasnt got old durin my near 70 years... an speekin for myself... i have never experienced "Immortality" to make a honest judgment on whether or not it woud get old... lol.!!!
I don't want to be immortal.
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