1stMay2007 The Day on which Moderation Died

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Singularity, May 3, 2007.

  1. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    And another thing: downloads encourage experimentation on the part of the consumer. They help to expand an artiste's fanbase and, in addition to selling the parts of the catalogue that aren't available online, they also help to sell t-shirts, concert tickets and other paraphernalia.
     
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  3. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    I agree with all of the above. Look, lots of artists have decided giving away things on the internet is good for their careers (see the band Arctic Monkeys, who used the internet to build a fan base and land a record deal). But it should be the artist's choice whether they participate on the internet or use it to distribute their work — not a bunch of cheap fans who want their products for free...
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Sure but its demand that decides what the artists do.
     
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  7. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    So if people demand something for free, a person with a commodity is bound to give it to them...
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Sure that's why they have the BOGO sales.

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  9. Singularity Banned Banned

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    Any idea how many millions they make by posing in shows ?
     
  10. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    It's not about how much money people make as I've argued again and again. They could make billions or trillions. That doesn't mean that taking $5 or 10 or a 100 isn't stealing, legally and morally. The amounts are unimportant. All you're trying to do is rationalize illicit acts. You and Sam have failed time and again to put forward any argument or answer my three simple questions. I'm done here until you do, and I think any reasonable person can see the two of you for what you are.
     
  11. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    You might as well give up, countzero. I agree with you 100% but you are talking to young bums who will turn into old bums - the kind that will steal anytime they have a chance. It's very clear that they are dishonest and no one is going to able to change that. They just think they've found a tiny little loophole that they can use to justify stealing - simple as that. If it steals a million bucks or a penny or a tune, it's still a crook.
     
  12. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    Poor King Neptune, foolishly imagining he can hold back the tide. It's evolution, my friends.
     
  13. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    No, it's not. Stealing is as old as humans and it will never stop. Just takes on different forms when something new comes along.
     
  14. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    I'm talking about the technology, not the stealing. Try to see the bigger picture. Have some vision. You're witnessing birth pangs. Rest assured, the corporate billionaires you defend so keenly will take control eventually, and spoil it for everyone, like they always do.
     
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    I'm not defending them any more than I am the struggling artist who need to be paid for his/her efforts. If they want to give away their work in the interest of promoting themselves, fine. But eventually they will need to be be paid for what they do - just like anyone else.
     
  16. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    And by the same token I'm not defending the thieves. I don't feel the need to. I'm just pointing out, quite dispassionately, that it's thieves and mavericks who are driving the technology on. And that, when the powers-that-be finally gain control, as they will, and when people start to feel limited, trapped and cheated by that, as they will, it'll probably be thieves and mavericks again who drive things on to the next plateau.

    And on and on we'll go: small rebellions and minor victories which capitalism will neatly package and sell back to us. All part of the process.
     
  17. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    And I agree completely. It's a never ending cycle.
     
  18. Singularity Banned Banned

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    Wow, RedArmy, i like that. It felt like u just *smash broke* a glass jug on the face of the lost generation.
     
  19. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    You know what that is a great post, that is exactly what has happened in the last 10 years.
     
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  21. MetaKron Registered Senior Member

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    I think that the "thieves and mavericks" are also the industry's largest consumer base. Sales of movies went up, not down after the introduction of the VCR, which allowed people to make and distribute copies. The slight increase in quality when you go digital doesn't make that damn much difference.

    However, if the RIAA and the MPAA keep going with their money-grubbing ways, they will create the disaster that they fear by alienating their best customers.

    One thing I know, and don't ask me how I know, I just know, is that a lot of people who download also have large tape and disk libraries and wind up spending more money getting large sets of things like TV series.
     
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  23. I agree that theft is bad. but as they say I have lent my friends books and they me. I have given books to strangers on the bus and in the army because i was done with them. Why should my lending or giving away a product that I bought legally be a crime. It makes me very irritated that if i buy a legal copy of a song that I cannot use it for a ring tone. I bought the product it is mine to lend or use as I see fit. The anti piracy movement seems to be about making me pay multiple times for the same product and that is wrong also. I do not purchase battery opperated devices because it annoys me to have to make a continual investment to enjoy a product that I have purchased. The internet makes it far easier to loan people the items that I have purchased. but with the exception of music I prefer to own a legitamate copy because I am not a thief. When it comes to music they play microsoft and bundle a bunch of songs that I do not care about with the song that I want or I can't find the song on usual sights then I will borrow the song from any one or where I can. The computer is only an improvement over cassettes. That is why the music industry is not in serious trouble. If it continues to harass the non pirates with various schemes of shady ethicicity to protect their greedy money making rackets then they will be in trouble. I do not appreciate being told that I have to purchase the same product three times or I am a thief.
     

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