8 Million Americans have Near Death Experiences according to Gallup Poll

Science doesn't know how to create consciousness. But 8 million NDE reports are telling us that consciousness disconnects from the body at death.

 

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Why don't you check out the evidence? Look at the video I posted.

 

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Mazulu, I have checked out what you "copy and paste" as your so called...evidence...

Mazulu, do you honestly take the time to check out the evidence that other Posters supply for you?

Mazulu, maybe check this out : http://www.livescience.com/16019-death-experiences-explained.html

...or possibly this :http://orthodoxinfo.com/death/nde.aspx

Incidentally, Mazulu, since you are so good at "drawing conclusions" from evidence presented to you :

Am, I, dmoe, an atheist?

Am, I, dmoe, a theist?

Do, I, dmoe, believe in an afterlife?

Have, I, dmoe, ever been clinically dead and had to have been resuscitated?

Mazulu, you will of course excuse me if I do not hold my breath while waiting in antici.....................pation for your non-answer!

 

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dmoe,
You appear to be untethered.

 

Mazulu, again, your only response : a feeble attempt to insult!

 

That is a childish, pedantically lame excuse for an argument. It doesn't matter in the least.

Duh, the brain dies, hence no consciousness. Are you an idiot?

 

Why is your brain dead? Why do constantly make up shit as you go along? Why are you such an idiot?

 

No, people have had brain traumas and attempted to remember what they experienced, but their brain was undergoing TRAUMA!!! Look up that word, you idiot.

Many remember seeing images during the trauma. So what?

Many do. Duh.

Bullshit.

Nothing makes sense to you except the fantasy world you've created for yourself, detached from reality.

 

Yes, a bazillion reports. Or, maybe it was a kajillion, or a superduperillion.

It's utterly hilarious to watch the shit come of your mouth, dude, one long log after another. You don't even need to wipe cause it never stops.

 

1. Youtube videos are NOT enough evidence to anything.

2. We have NOT received any kind of tangible evidence of NDE to consider it factual besides "reports from people", this, by itself is enough to make a point.

3. Does Near Death Experience relates, even remotely to the OP? Please tell us.

I seriously wonder if you really believe what you post or is just hurling trollings at random.

 

Yes, the brain dies, conscousness observes this right before it gets disconnected from the brain.

 

Religion is important if we have a soul.

Science cannot reproduce conscousness (and has no clue how to do it). Furthermore, 8 million reported NDE experiences are telling us that we disconnect from our body and brain when they die. Then we go on. Obviously this challenges your world view. Unfortunately, you can't just throw out a giant pile of data and insist that it doesn't exist.

 

They see the disconnection process from the brain (the tunnel into light). Then they hover above their body, then they go see their dead relatives, dead friends, angels, etc... Those are not just random images, it's a theme.

8 million reports of near death experiences. Actually, that 8 million Americans who have reported NDE experiences.

 

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Hmmm. Maybe you are just hurling trollings, yes.

 

No, I'm just making a strong argument. If science knew how to reproduce conscoiusness, they could put it on a computer chip. You could apply 5 volts on the pain pin or 5 volts on the pleasure pin. Human consciousness is certainly capable of experiencing pain and pleasure (from the nervous system).

But the other fact is that there are a lot of people who have near death experiences. Nobody knows how many go unreported.

 

Oxygen deprivation (hypoxia) diminishes conscousness. But the near death experience is described as being more real than reality.

There are things that both computers and conscousness can do, like processing information, manipulating objects, regulating feedback loops. But there is one thing that a computer cannot be programmed to do (actually two things): feel pain and pleasure. Nobody knows how to make a machine do that. The near death experience is described, independtly of culture, as disconnecting from the brain/body. Which is probably why people feel such joy and happiness, because those connections to all of the physical and emotional pain of the body are being disconnected.

How do we know that computers are not conscious? Because that would be anthropormphizing my computer (which is a big no no in science).

I don't remember what it's actually called or how it's labeled, but science tries to use everything it knows to explain a phenomena before it resorts to adding something new. Consciousness (suffering/pleasure) are quite simply beyond what science can explain. Something new is called for.

 

So nobody wants to admit there is nothing in the standard model that can be used to build a machine that will feel pain/pleasure. In fact, science is clearly incomplete because it would not be able to demonstrate or prove scientifically that the machine really did feel pain/pleasure or anything at all. So it's really no surprise that when we die, we experience joy, we float above our body and fly off into heaven. Clearly that is the part of the biological machine that feels the pain and pleasure of being alive. All those electrical and electrochemcial signals are just modulating the experiences that consciousness experiences.

Since nobody can dispute what I say about consciousness, then I guess the 8 million NDE evidence really does mean what we think it means: there is an afterlife.

 

Unconscious? If they're having an NDE then they're either hovering over their body or they're talking to dead relatives or God. They're conscious, they're just "away from the body", be back soon.

If scientists could give a computer emotions, pain/pleasure, then it's possible that your computer might hate you, want to kill or destroy you, and will do anything in its power to hurt you. It's about motivation. If your computer knows you have important files, it might delete them just to spite you. But how do you make a computer really feel that way? All computers do is store machine language code, as voltages, in memory locations.

How do I know other people feel pain and pleasure? I guess because they have motives.

A Higgs field gives mass to weak force particles. Why not a "consciousness" field that gives consciousness to the brain? Admittedly, such a consciousness is not very sophisticated on it's own, but when it connects to the body, there are lots of mental resources available to this consciousness, this soul. This soul has a relationship to the consciousness field analogous to the relationship between an electron and a hole in a semiconductor chip. So, in a sense, the soul is attracted to the consciousness field. But since the soul is something that has consciousness, then one might say that the soul loves the consciousness field. The consciousness field is commonly called God. Consistent with the 8 million Near Death Experience reports, the soul is trying to recombine with God, that's why people report feelings of love and joy. It is this attraction between the soul and God that makes emotions possible.

You're human, I can tell.

I described a model, above. A consciousness field.

8 million Americans will tell you from personal experience that the brain is not the source of consciousness. If there is something like a "consciousness field", then it most definitely is beyond the natural world.

If I power-up a circuit board, and I run a screwdriver across pins on a chip, causing it to spark, does the circuit board suffer pain? Or does it like the pleasure of the short circuit? It is the scientific community's burden to show proof that the circuit board is indeed a consciousness.

The ability to experience pain, pleasure, other senses.

Take a network of neurons, axons, dendrites, and some unseen magic, and consciousness emerges.