9/11 was an inside job

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  1. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I meant F.
     
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  3. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    And all fires have hot spots. In one building there was molten metal seen dripping out of one corner, where a majority of the aircraft had ended up. This is logically aluminum, and the melting point of aluminum is around 1200 degrees F. A few hours of that near supporting beams, and all that was required is to lower the material's strength, not even get it glowing hot. We see plenty of examples of buckling sides before the collapse, and eventually one failure multiplied.
     
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  5. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Good points. And the burning temperature of Aluminum is 6920°F! (it's used in rocket fuel)
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. I don't even expect you to read my replies; just search them for key words.

    Complete nonsense. Crashes have resulted in fuel fires that have melted the (aluminum) aircraft, which meant the fire reached around 1200F. Ten minutes of research would have revealed this to you.

    Reality disagrees with your guesses.
     
  8. Grumpy Curmudgeon of Lucidity Valued Senior Member

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    psikeyhackr

    Er...what was all that supposed to show, that you were wrong at the start of AFT and you haven't learned anything since? Do you think error gets better with age? Or associates?

    The ONLY thing that got heavier toward the bottom was the gauge and strength of the perimeter frame pieces and the thickness of the core columns, 86 of the floors were identical and none of them supported any weight from any other floor, above or below. The frame and core were the only vertical weight bearing structures. There was no weight bearing concrete in that building above ground level outside of the floors designated for machinery(3 of them), and the basements are irrelevant to the collapse, in fact, all the floors more than several floors below the impact/fire areas have nothing to do with the collapses as by the time it reached them the energy was approaching the atomic bomb range(all that potential energy became kinetic).

    Did you miss this, or just ignore it?

    There are about 5236 tons of concrete on each of 86 floors, 16,000 tons of concrete in each of the mechanical floors and no other concrete above ground level. This is derived from information contained in the NIST reports through simple arithmetic and logic. The same simple calculations can be done by your average 5th grader with similar information in there about the steel specs. You could have done this years ago(in theory, at least)but something tells me you are more interested in the talking point than in the information.

    Grumpy

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  9. psikeyhackr Live Long and Suffer Valued Senior Member

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    And what is the specific heat steel?

    And how many tons of steel were in the fire?

    Just because a fire is 1000 degrees F does not mean the steel will reach that temperature quickly. That is the problem with the buildings coming down less than two hours after the impacts. Believers don't need to apply real physics and ask obvious questions. Just talking about the temperature of the fire without talking about the quantity of steel is complete nonsense.

    psik
     
  10. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Only one floor had to be weakened, and there was a massive amount of flammable material in the building.
     
  11. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    You're right, in fact, not even one floor. Enough supports to overload the others.

    But each planes took out large parts of multiple floors. So there were various opportunities of failure.
     
  12. psikeyhackr Live Long and Suffer Valued Senior Member

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    ROFLMAO

    208^2 feet=43,264
    138*78=10,764

    43,264-10,764 = 32,500

    4 inches(a third of a foot)

    WOW! You can divide!

    The concrete was poured onto corrugated pans. The thickness varied between 4 and 5 inches. I use 4.333 inches in my calculations, which is 0.361 foot. I have seen pictures of the edge.

    32,500 sq. ft. * 0.361 ft * 110 lb/cu.ft = 1,290,575 pounds

    That is 645.28 tons.

    That is not 5,000 tons. That 208 feet is the EXTERNAL width of the building and the perimeter columns are 14 inches wide. So if you are claiming that each of those 86 concrete floors was 5,000 tons then your own data does not support your claim. Your data is wrong and your calculation is wrong and you expect me to read that crap.

    I read it to explain its stupidity.

    You need to do some more research. 500,000 tons is usually given for the total weight of the buildings including the steel and there was 100,000 tons of that in each tower. That 425,000 cubic yards of concrete comes to a little more than 300,000 tons per tower. Your CLAIMS are a bunch of crap and you don't check your data.

    You can say whatever stupidly incorrect trash you want since some people believe whatever you say.

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  13. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    And...we're back to the concrete. Deja vu.
     
  14. psikeyhackr Live Long and Suffer Valued Senior Member

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    Don't you love how Grumpy gets his data and math all wrong, but then you would not have noticed.

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  15. Grumpy Curmudgeon of Lucidity Valued Senior Member

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    psikeyhackr

    So your claims that in all those years nobody knew how much concrete and steel was in those buildings is a lie, whether your math is correct or mine is those facts can be discerned by any competent mathematician(which I make no claim to be). Also, why keep claiming nobody knows the steel distribution, when it's plain that they do? All the information is contained in the NIST reports as well as information on how heat affects steel, what temperatures microscopic examination reveals the steel reached, damage and fire patterns, etc. Don't like my math ? Then do your own research.

    Oh, and can a ten foot rod of steel be heated to a glow before you have to let go of the other end? Of course it can. There was more than ten feet between floors, so your claim that steel in the towers would carry the heat away before they became as hot as their environment is just another stupid, false claim.

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  16. psikeyhackr Live Long and Suffer Valued Senior Member

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    I am not saying nobody knew. I can't read the minds of everyone on the planet. But the information is not readily available and people who must know what information is necessary to solve the problem are not demanding it. When has Richard Gage discussed the distributions of steel and concrete down the towers?

    That is just great Grumpy. You are not saying my math is wrong but implying that yours may be correct even though grade school kids should be able to check it.

    I guess the people who follow you can't do math for themselves. Presumably you rely on that.

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  17. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Hey, as long as you are ignoring the political ramifications of the massive failures of the Bush administration to heed the intelligence pointing to an immanent attack, it's all good.
     
  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Yes; and everyone knows that the best way to achieve an 'even flame' in something is to crash a plane into it.
     
  19. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Looked right to me. He didn't have any small mounds of paper and washers to represent the frame of an enormous building with completely different dynamics, though.
     
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    Yes, infowars has nearly reached critical mass in the echo chamber, prepare for the shock wave when all the Troother's heads implode simultaneously. The skull can only stand up to a certain level of vacuum, you know.

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  22. psikeyhackr Live Long and Suffer Valued Senior Member

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    ROFLMAO

    I am so upset that you can advertise that you can't do simple math.

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    Believers do not require evidence. So you can't comprehend Potential Energy, Kinetic Energy, and yield strength.

    http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/332051#tab=comments&sc=1530297#ixzz26NzSTG1P

    But most of the so called "scientific community" has not said squat in 11 years.

    psik
     
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    One day soon we will have the following events coincide:

    Another "Loose Change" movie
    A new creationist movie, say "No intelligence allowed II"
    A NEW REPORT by Rossi on cold fusion (sorry, "low energy nuclear reactions")
    A blog post on who was really on the grassy knoll during the JFK assassination
    Someone from Area 51 who has an authentic alien hat
    A right winger with Obama's Kenyan birth certificate

    And the implosions will begin.
     

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