A Biologist told me that the water molecule is too small to cause an immune reaction. Is he correct?

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by Neurostudent, Jun 8, 2022.

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Do you think 'water allergy' is a thing?

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  1. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    No. My memory ise very intense, specificaly at this period.
    If i can teach you something like my teacher did (very famous but i will not spoil his identity ) : The whole sea is composed of as single molecule of water !
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No doubt it is intense. It is also wrong.
    I am sure it will end up being Einstein or something.
    Nope. You are conflating hydrogen bonds with the molecular bonds of water. They are not the same.
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Ballocks.
     
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  7. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    No.
    Bollocks.
     
  8. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Impressing.
    But it is clear you never understood that "the water molecule" in his liquid state, the so named "water" never really appear like in the gas (vapour state).
    Furthermore, this consideration do not only apply to water. But to all molecules studied in biochemestry.
    This is a very basic consideration any student need to understand before they become able to predict how any biochemestry reaction act.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think you understand what a molecule is. It is not a bunch of atoms that are close to each other. Molecules are compounds made up of atoms with chemical bonds between the atoms. They might be in solid form, liquid form or gaseous form. Some are small (oxygen molecules) and some are large (proteins.)

    And just because a bunch of molecules are (for example) in the solid state, it does not mean they all become one molecule - even though they share weaker hydrogen bonds (in the case of water) or ionic bonds (in the case of iron.) These bonds do not make them molecules, although they greatly affect the properties of the material (conductivity, reactivity, melting point etc.)
     
  10. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    I have a good understanding of what a molecule is.

    Not only.
    A molecule has no necessary fixed bonds between the atoms (this is more evident with big molecules).
    The "bonds" are some sort of quantic electron appariement and those bonds can exchange with other bonds within the same molecule.
    Therefore we dont have only 1 representation of one molecule.
    The different configurations of the same molecule are more or less stable, so we could have 10% in the configuration 1, 30% in the configuration 2, 60% in the configuration 3, etc.
    With complex molecules, we can have many many configuratioin states.
    The stability (so the % of each) is determined by the environnment.
    Water is some special environnment and the ionic composants in the water can have some influence on the % of each configuration.
    Etc.

    So, as said, the water molecule should be understand as some bigger molecule where the interversion of the bonds of water molecule with... itself (because it is not only H20 but a bigger molecule).
    To be more clear, the interversion apply at quantic level.
    Per example, if you have a big or small molecule (whatever... it is a molecule and it is why you can name it a molecule) , if you change the electronic bound at some location of the molecule, this change apply INSTANTLY at an other position of the molecule.
    The molecule (or his quantum wave) behave as if it would be the same quantic object.

    Not only.
    There are plenty of physical states for the matter (yes, molcules are matter).
    Sometime it remains not any comoon molecule at all, like in the plasma state.

    And some very large. ARN and ADN.

    Yes, but just because they are in liquid state, it does not mean they can not be considered as molecules (1 molecule for the entire sea is the extrem case and you and i can understand that my teacher was saying this to open our mind (there are not such big molecule of sure, for some reason we will ot discuss here))

    https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0510593103

    So if you understand this kind of news, you can understand that a water molecule wich is "connected" with other water molecules, formins some string, can be understand as some big molecule, BECAUSE they are linked, like the other molecules, at a QM level.

    What have all this to do with the question of this thread ?
    Water here is not like water here, water ponds can be different. There is no random positioning H3O+ and OH- but a structuration of the water and Quantum Mecanic is at work.
    So water remain the more complex liquid we have on earth.
     
  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    To busy typing tripe to go back and proof read? If you deem not to proof read I deem not to answer non proof read post

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  12. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    You mean "too busy ?"
    I dont understand your post, be more explicit.
     
  13. Neurostudent Registered Member

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    She claims that she cannot drink water without having a severe internal allergic reaction. Then, she claims she can drink milk because the fats and proteins and sugars in milk help the water molecules to (quote) ''sneak past'' her immune system. She says she's tried having intravenous saline for hydration, but when the saline went into her bloodstream she was in extreme pain as she is allergic to water molecules in her bloodstream also. Her instagram handle is LivingWaterLess. She reportedly reacts even to pure water, ruling out chemicals in the water being the cause of her internal allergy. (Saline for instance is just water and some salt, with no other added chemicals.)

    Her Instagram is full of photos of her in the hospital and of the allergic reactions she gets. She says the nurses have accused her of making it up.
     
  14. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Get lost, sock puppet.
     
  15. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Dean Martin was allergic to water...
     
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  18. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    No need to worry yet. It's when opportunistic lawyers and Woke-ism scholars decide that being allergic to water, electricity, etc, are recognized sensibilities belonging to the fight for social justice, that the ball gets rolling. Toward such conditions becoming legislatively "real". As far our having to respect those beliefs or suffer the consequences.

    Scientists may still be able to weasel in a footnote in a paper that challenges or questions an "Emperor's New Clothes" situation of reality pretentiousness, but the main body of work will still have to conform to the policies of their institution's administrators and those of the publishers or journal. The latter two seeking to protect population groups[1] from harmful conclusions and speech/description, and offensive thought orientations.

    Nature: Manuscripts that are ideologically impure and “harmful” will be rejected
    https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022...ogically-impure-and-harmful-will-be-rejected/

    Another STEM field, particle physics, gets woke
    https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2022/09/05/another-stem-field-particle-physics-gets-woke/

    - - - footnote - - -

    [1] "Population groups" (which include their indigenous beliefs) are not limited to cognitive discrimination of mere ethnicity, culture, sex, and socioeconomic class. Further refinements are valid in the pursuit of apprehending the variety of horrid ways we are hindering and damaging each other.

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  19. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Hi Gaiagirl!

    Well, at least her thyroid didn't explode.
     
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  20. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Hey, that's my line!

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    But somebody had to say it.
     
  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    Claiming to feel unwell
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    an actual bodily response that is not subject to psychosomatic subjectivity

    she can claim what ever she likes
    medical testing will show if she is allergic to water

    considering the bulk of the human body is made up of water, i think its unlikely that she would be allergic to it without being dead.

    i imagine she may have some type of digestional disease that triggers a response when she drinks a liquid.

    i suspect she is allergic to her own stomach acid and has some type of disease.
     

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