A Nightmare Scenario for Homosexuals

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Woody, Jul 4, 2006.

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Is it OK for parents to abort a fetus with the gay gene?

  1. It's ok for the parents to do this even if it eliminates all homosexuals from the population

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  2. Fetus with gay gene should not be aborted

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  3. Undecided

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  1. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Thinking about Woody's proposition, I fail to understand why this would be a nightmare for gay people. It's not like they have an interest in creating more of their own kind. Besides, only rich people can afford abortions, and you would need total compliance for it to work.
     
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  3. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    What about planned parenthood. Who pays for those abortions?
     
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  5. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    By the knowledge of the law is the knowledge of sin. Those who do not know the law are not under the penalty, however the law itself is written in our hearts -- not to kill, not to steal, etc. Adults know these things are wrong without a bible. Small children do not.
     
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  7. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    It was Eve's idea to get it started. Adam, was not gay, he had Eve, and she had his children.
     
  8. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    Because the unborn child is a human being. Nobody argues that point. Instead a woman's right to choose is greater than a child's right to live.

    Watch this abortion of an 11 week old fetus and see what you think about it. I'm eager to hear your response:

    silent scream video

    Supposedly it is not legal to photograph or make movies of abortions. If it were then the abortion argument would be over.
     
  9. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    And so it naturally follows that the act of falling in love with a member of one's own gender instead of the opposite gender is against the law written in "our" hearts?

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    Apparently, we don't all have the same heart.

    Thank God!

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  10. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    How do you know gay people (or whatever they are) aren't interested in creating more of their own kind? What exactly does that mean? That they don't want children? Or that they don't want their children to be gay?

    I know there are plenty who want children (their OWN children, genetically speaking) and I'm sure there are quite a few who would like to see their children (or someone else's) grow up to be like them.
     
  11. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Planned parenthood only exists in the US. There are humans outside of the United States, believe it or not.
     
  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I think Woody thinks that they resemble the church, in that they want to increase their numbers and influence, even recruit new members. While some may actually have this view, I think most just want to be treated equally. I notice many church people think there is some kind of gay agenda to make everyone gay.
     
  13. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, like china. A whole lot more there. Haven't they been practicing abortion now for many decades? Government funded of course.

    So where is the cost of an abortion (or morning after pill) an obstical to having one?
     
  14. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    Read again, NARTH is specifically cited. There's no valid scientific research or conclusions reported here, just more ridiculous propaganda - science is so far on the side of gay-rights advocates. Say here's a study out from the AAP just recently discussing the effect of same-sex marriage on Children:

    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/118/1/349

    Hmm seems like homophobes are the ones that are against children. I just wish you wanted what's best for them! But then, I supposed to get any real value out of the study you'd have to be able to tell the difference between a legitimate medical organization and a political think-tank with a social agenda.

    Coup de'tat? Haha, you're a real crack, up, you know that? I've never been one to believe a bunch of break-away Christian nut-job right-wing political think-tanks who accuse the APA and AAP of being a politically motivated organization, especially when their own colors show so brightly.

    Do you honestly believe that one of the most prestigious and credible medical organizations in the world was swayed entirely by the political "power" of the gay rights movement in the early 70s? Haha, what a powerful lobby, the APA must have been shaking in their boots. Too bad that now that the Christian right is back in power they haven't changed it back, wonder what's causing all the foot dragging.
     
  15. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    Mystech says:

    OK, so you think it is ok for people to vote on science. I call it political science myself. What do you call it? Truth by majority?

    Let's try it out: Let's get in our time machine, roll back to the early 1400s and have a vote: Is the earth flat or is it round?

    Why the earth is flat of course. How do ya know sir? Well it's called the Mystech Principle. And if you don't like the answer then just vote different.

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    Sounds kind of like that TV show "family feud", you know, where they poll the audience first, and the contestants try to guess the number one choice. Like:
    What happened to Mystech's brain? Survey sezzzz frontal lobotomy.
     
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  16. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    Frankly I have no idea what you're going on about. As professionals they got together, looked at the body of research they had, debated, came to a consensus, and that consensus was that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and is not in and of itself either a harmful condition nor therapeutically treatable state of being. This is called Science - understanding changes as more information is gathered. Since human sexual study really got under way in the US in the 50s we have learned a great many things! Did you know that even women have orgasms, and circumcision doesn’t actually keep young boys from masturbating later in life? AMAZING!

    Homosexuality in the DSM was a throwback to the decades prior when we'd castrate homosexuals, lock them up, or just hang them.
     
  17. Woody Musical Creationist Registered Senior Member

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    They did not come to a consensus, but it's irrelevant anyway. DSM is just a starting point for a therapist, they went on doing their job the same anyway. The Zur report, which is really pro-gay for the most part goes into the DSM. Homosexual is treated as "other sexual disorder".

    The Zur Institute covers it a lot better than we can here. Check out the link.

    DSM can result in screw-ups. How about this one:


    ref: Dr. Joseph Wolpe, The Practice of Behavior Therapy (Pergamon Press, 1969, pg 255-262).

    Isn't that the position held today in the APA, that homosexuality is biologically determined? error, error, does not compute, error, error.
     
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  18. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    You know, I'd really like to be able to read the Gospel of the Hebrews, or other various gospels that were attested to in ancient documents and correspondences, but it seems that the leaders of the larger, more popular churches of the day didn't feel it necessary to preserve them. And no, they weren't all considered heretical by everyone. And does that matter if some of them were?

    I think they were voting. And I think they did a great disservice to us here in the future they didn't know or care about.

    Of course, being the foundation of the Catholic church, they were absolutely right in everything they did, regardless of how stupid it might have been. Just ask Lawdog.
     
  19. Mystech Adult Supervision Required Registered Senior Member

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    Oh no, a single poorly recounted anecdotal case! You've blown my worldview wide open, Woody! Quick get on the horn, turns out homosexuals just aren't trying hard enough!

    Resent research has shown strong biological indicators that are linked to homosexuality, but it is not the APA's position that they know exactly what the cause is any more than they can pinpoint why someone is heterosexual.
     
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  20. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously, when talking about psychology and to a lesser extent, psychiatry, there is no way around voting on some issues.
    The mental health field (counseling, psychology, etc.) is filled to the brim with opinions.

    Even the "harder" science of regular medicine has opinions and opposing viewpoints, especially when it comes to gray areas that may be new and unexplored.

    Homosexuality is viewed much differently today than it was fifty years ago, for good reason.

    There used to be a time when it was considered immoral for women to expose more than ten percent of the flesh on their bodies.
     
  21. Giambattista sssssssssssssssssssssssss sssss Valued Senior Member

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    Do you still live in that bygone era, Woody? Do you shudder to even think of your wife wearing pants?
     
  22. redarmy11 Registered Senior Member

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    So Adam and Eve's children were gay then? If not, exactly when did the gay bloodline emerge?

    And do you honestly believe all of that crap anyway - that we came from Adam and Eve!?? Which other patently ridiculous parts of the Bible story do you subscribe to - that God made the Earth in 6 days? That the Earth is only 10,000 years old? That Noah built an ark? Do tell!
     
  23. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently incest was ok back then... but not today. And let's not forget to mention the problems of incest breeding are overlooked.
     

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