Of course; no equality was claimed. I just pointed out that you are lying again. Since you forget anything you said that doesn't support your religious agenda, here is the thread: Halc: A human without an arm is damaged, but still human. Billvon: Absolutely. He is still 100% human. To use Jan's terminology, his "body suit" is incomplete, but his mind (what wears the suit) is not. Jan: That’s not my terminology dude. Jan (from a few days back): "These body suits are perfectly complete in their design." You brought up "body suit" as a way to separate the mind from the body. The mind is what makes us human; the body suit is just the meat that supports the mind. It's a reasonably good term. Absolutely. The design flaws cause defects. Given that we spend billions of dollars trying to fix those flaws - they are absolutely NOT accepted. At best we live with them when we can't fix them. And women were not designed to pee their pants every time they laugh. Children were not designed to choke on food and die. Adults were not designed for their backs to fail. Those are design flaws too. Nope. Evolution does not produce perfection; it produces what works (barely.) Which is what we have now. And in fact it will never, ever produce someone that lives forever - because as soon as any organism lives forever (or even comes close) evolution slows and stops. Yes. So are wars, and terrorism, and rape, and slavery. Those are part of "the human condition" brought about by our flaws - our angers and our lusts and our greed. They have been with us forever and will be with us forever. But just because they exist does not mean they are accepted.