A world with a loving God.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xelasnave.1947, Nov 2, 2019.

  1. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Of course, not. You tried to redefine the words so that nobody can refute you. It's your standard go-to in every debate: post something patently absurd and/or incorrect, then when you're called out backtrack by trying to redefine commonly-understood words to mean something ridiculous.

    Oh, very helpful. A human being is a human being.

    You can't actually define "human being", can you, Jan? Not specifically. The fact is, human beings are what people recognise as such. That's the best we can do. Methods of recognition vary.

    Think about it.

    Medical studies. You know. Medical doctors study medicine.

    Right. And a significant portion of the ones who deny the science do so for religious reasons, just like you do.
     
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  3. foghorn Registered Senior Member

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    It seems Jan is saying the body is designed to be thrown away and as such is perfect in that regard.My bold.
    Jan, are you into reincarnation here? Is reincarnation mentioned in the Bible?
    Late edit: Answered my own question:

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  5. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, I've accepted it as a fact of life, but it's also a fact that mass murder and destruction is not the work of a loving being. Neither is the biblical endorsement of slavery and genocide.
     
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  7. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.
    We all know what “perfect” means.
    We all know what “complete” means.
    We all know what “design” means.
    Hence we all should be able to understand what A perfectly “complete design” means.
    We all know it doesn’t mean “the design is perfect” as in no ailments, no broken bones, no growing, or no dying.
    We all know that the design of the human being allows for all of the above.
    We all know that is all human beings are going to be.
    We all know there is no human being that has transcended any of those conditions, while alive.
    Once you are a human being, and you are alive. You are a perfectly complete human being.
    Argue against that.
    Any description of a human being is so because you are describing a human being. It doesn’t anything outside of that.
    I can see why you would pretend to not understand the point I'm making. It leaves no room for darwinism.
    Human being are just human being. Always have been. Always will be.
    That may be a fact. But it is not what human being are.
    Human beings are beyond what we decide they are.
    Show me.
    You don't need religion to deny it.
    It only seems to be hanging around because nobody wants to admit the emperor is naked.

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  8. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    What was wrong with beating heart proving you're human?

    Did anyone see my post?
     
  9. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    That's not what I'm saying.
    I'm saying that the design of the human body, is perfectly complete.
    Any enhancements we make does not make us any more or less a human being.
    Wow!!! You went digging.

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    Yes I was referring to reincarnation.
    Reincarnation isn't mentioned in the bible. There is a sentence that goes "as you sow, so shall you reap''.
    While that may not mean reincarnation directly, it describes a law. What goes around comes around, is another type of saying.
    I don't think anyone can imagine what it is like to have no conscious awareness at all.
    I don't think that complete nothingness exists.
     
  10. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    How is any design "perfectly complete" if it keeps evolving? Isn't evolution the very proof that no design is perfectly complete - as either it dies out, or it changes. Both of those options seem to negate the idea of being "perfectly complete". Unless the "perfect" part includes the necessity of dying off, or of not actually being the final design?
    But I guess if one doesn't accept evolution...
     
  11. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    A beating heart is part of what makes a human being.
     
  12. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    It's easy to imagine it. Just imagine what it was like before you were born. There. Simple.
     
  13. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, a beating heart. With a human suit.
     
  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    That's like asking why if I'm a perfectly complete human being, why was I a new born baby, at a point in my life.
    As if that is dehumanising factor.
    We fit into the whole thing.
    Everything is working like clockwork.
    That's what makes it perfectly complete.
     
  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Even if I imagine a black empty space. I'm still imagining it. Ergo, conscious awareness.
     
  16. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    There is no way, that I can see, how anyone can imagine zero conscious awareness.
    If anyone knows how, please do tell.
    Or tell us what you imagined (that doesn't even sound right).
     
  17. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    And it goes on... knee jerk reactions, not interested in the truth just projecting their "facts" onto each other. No one wants to learn.
     
  18. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Come on Dave!
    Get involved.
    Communicating with each other is what we do here.
     
  19. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    I've noticed that.
     
  20. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    You should talk to yourself more often, they say it's a sign of intelligence.
     
  21. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    No, it's nothing like asking that. A human grows from baby to child to adult. That is what it is to be human. But if the design is "perfectly complete" then you are flatly rejecting the idea that humans will ever evolve into something else, into another species, whether in a million years or a billion.
    Alternatively you might be saying that every species is perfectly complete... a monkey is perfectly complete as a monkey, a great ape perfectly complete as a great ape. In which case you are stating nothing other than the Law of Identity: "x is x", or everything is what it is. And since it is exactly what it is, nothing more, nothing less, it is perfectly what it is. In a philosophy forum about the laws of logic it might be meaningful, but in a religion forum it is nothing but trite and shallow babble.
    But says nothing of the actual content of that clockwork menchanism, and offers of nothing of value other than "x is x".
     
  22. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Well done, you have argued that a conscious awareness is required for what we understand to be the ability to imagine. The issue, however, is not what does the imagining, but what is imagined. Or can you not imagine flying pigs without thinking you are one?
    The same way one can imagine absolute nothing: by intellect alone.
    Were I more cynical I might perhaps think it is your lack of such imagination that explains much of your posting on this website.
     
  23. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Why would a monkey want to be something else? It would take a lot of monkies to be swayed by this invisible force they call evolution. I just don't picture it. The earth is about 5700 years old, and I might make it flat because why not? It would make a lot of people look like fools.
     

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