A world with a loving God.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xelasnave.1947, Nov 2, 2019.

  1. foghorn Registered Senior Member

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    So, according to you Dave, when women do reach their full intellectual potential, they will have less soul? Is that right?
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No wegs, these are probing questions as to what makes a theist tick. So far Jan's answer was that belief in the concept of being an ant in God's ant-farm; "is a start" .
    Just read Jan's latest answer about a flat earth and how he will believe what he "accepts" (being told), regardless of what is objectively true.
    I rest my case.
    What about my questions is not genuine and/or degrading? That judgement is reserved for the response to the question, no?

    Why don't you ask Jan yourself or do you agree with Jan on everything he presents as his belief? Don't project your frustrations on me.
     
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  5. wegs Matter & Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Not all theists think alike, and your questions to Jan, have to do with an ant farm. I'm a believer, and I don't envision God to be a controlling ant farmer, and we are all ''his ants.'' I may not agree with someone, but it's kind of fruitless to reply with strawmen answers that honestly appear like degradation tactics. I'm surprised those comments came from you, because you're usually gracious, even when you disagree. I have no frustrations with this thread or your posts; I'm finding it comical in a way, that you would conclude that most believers are building their lives around the notion that God is a micromanaging ant farmer, and we're all his ants.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And what, pray tell is your concept of a discussion? Blind acceptance of what you tell me? Is that the religious way of discussing a subject and examining it from various perspectives?

    I have a subject I really would like to discuss (is about MT). Look what I have to put up with. And I come prepared with at least some proofs to back up my claims.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I am gracious to those who are gracious to me and not treat me as a gullible sheep (ant) who can be told anything and "accept" it, regardless of truth. Those are not my words wegs, they're Jan's.

    And asking a question is not stating a conclusion. Jan stated that the concept of a God's ant-farm "is a start"! That is a conclusion, and what am I to make of that answer but to express a certain amount of incredulity?

    Are you good with that in the spirit of having an objective discussion? Did you not reject that answer a few moments ago?
     
  9. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Well, when you change the meanings of words to suit your narrative, or you say something and then turn around and claim you never said it, how is that being the most communicative person in the thread?

    It's not a matter of agreeing or disagreeing with what you say, it's a matter of you not being able to communicate using the English language. And, while you may understand what it is you're talking about, no one else does.

    So, no, your posts are not actual, proper responses. And, if you won't bother to rectify that, then you clearly aren't here to have discussions.
     
  10. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    It seems to run even deeper than that. It appears Jan has never looked up anything, has never fact checked anything, has never even cracked open a dictionary and seems to only rely on using buzz words he may have picked up here and there. He doesn't even know the meaning of the word evolution let alone bothered to read the postulates of the theory. I think we give Jan far too much credit.
     
  11. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    It's the rejection of science from those who have no idea what the word science means that would get any thinking person's goat. But, that's what you do.

    You've probably never even bothered to read the Bible, let alone any other books.
     
  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    You've obviously been here way too long, not only because you believe you're better than everyone else and we all just annoy you to no end, but you've grown tired of yourself and your whole life and are now forced to go around making posts like this pretending the high horse you're on is more than just a bean bag chair on the floor. You need a vacation from here, get out of the house and do something productive with yourself rather than sitting around all day writing endless, long, boring posts that no one reads.
     
  13. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    You don't know if the Earth is flat or round?
     
  14. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    You don't know if the earth is flat or not? Seriously???
    Note your gradual move from "everyone" to now "most". Quite telling that you can't support your own position, isn't it.
    Evolution is a change in biological characteristics between one population/species and another, usually over multiple generations, not simply a superficial change in a single member of that population due to climate. Evolution is where one population doesn't have the characteristic and another does. You have simply offered up a horse. The fact that a horse can grow and shed hair with the climate is merely a characteristic of a horse.
    No. He identified differences between populations of finches in their entirety, not between a single finch at, say, different times of the year.
     
  15. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Seriously?
     
  16. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Neither do you.
    We accept what we’re shown or told.
    I believe the earth is a globe, but I don’t know it as fact.
     
  17. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    How you partake in the discussion is up to you.
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Actually I do. I have spoken to people who have been in orbit and seen it with their own eyes. I have worked on satellite systems that had to track orbiting satellites. They pass right overhead and return 90 minutes later, just as orbital mechanics says they will.
    So you don't know that you are male, or that your name is Jan, or that God exists?
     
  19. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    From your perspective, no theist can support their position, If there are s no agreement with you. Because you are stuck in a loop.
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    You do not accept every piece of information about the fact that the earth is round as convincing evidence?
    But you do know for a fact that God exists, even as you cannot prove it in any way, other than imagination?

    p.s
    Tell Mr. Chesterton that if there were no God, everyone would be Atheist.
     
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  21. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    No, that’s what you do.
    But it doesn’t get my goat.
    Why would you even say that?

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  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Did you not read what I wrote?

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    I said I believe the earth is a globe, but I haven’t seen the earth from a position where I can know it is a globe. And neither have you.

    There’s nothing difficult about believing God exists. It is a connection that humans have. The thing that’s hard to get your head round, is how you can conclude there is no God.
     
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  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I have seen plenty pictures of the Earth fromevery possible angle in space and it is obviously a globe. Live pictures from space are reliable evidence, IMO. [/quote]
    Show me a picture, then I'll believe.
    What connection? Can you explain that to me.
     

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