A world with a loving God.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xelasnave.1947, Nov 2, 2019.

  1. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    It's like someone playing with a baby where they hold their hands over their face and say, "Where's the baby?" then open the hands, "There he is!" Jan seems to be treating us just like that as if we didn't know he's hiding his face behind his hands.
     
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  3. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    What your problem mate?
    I asked a perfectly good question. I would like to know how he knows. Then I can know..
     
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  5. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Why don’t you just show where I’ve mistranslated instead of going through all this.
    I bet you can’t. Can you?
    So you cover up with nonsense.
    Don’t worry, I won’t tell anybody of your inadequacies.
     
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  7. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Okay.
     
  8. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Trust me.

    I've smoked enough to know it's all good.

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  9. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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  10. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Oh, no problem at all, just wondering how it is you want answers to how people know things about reality, but when pressed for answers about how you know about the supernatural, it's all vague and disingenuous. No problem whatsoever.
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Truly transcendental!

    Or is it willful?.....

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  12. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I'm curious, how many times does someone have to show you something? 25? 50? More?
     
  13. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps you need to educate yourself on what the theory of evolution is? It tells us how life evolved and is far more then a theory and now an accepted fact. The Catholic church now accepts the theory of the evolution of life, as well as the BB.
    You see Jan, what you are ignorant of is that the theory of the evolution of life does not tell us how life "started" that is called Abiogenesis. And of course the BB does not tell us how the universe started, only how it evolved from a hot dense state.
    The church and presumably Darwin, hang their hat [and faith] on those facts and put the start of the universe and life down to your magic spaghetti monster of choice.
    Science on the other hand continues with the research of knowledge of that which we still don't know the answers to.
     
  14. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    1 would be satisfactory.
    But 3 would show continuity, and most probably seal the deal.
     
  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It’s not that it’s vague.
    It that you are an atheist.
    You are forced to reject and deny simply by being one.
     
  16. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Yet, I have pointed this out many times more than that.

    Here, one more time. Allow does not mean love, check any dictionary. Got it this time?
     
  17. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I know what the theory of evolution is, but go on.
    It tells first, that life evolved by this process, then it tells us how it evolved.
    By those who accept it. That doesn’t make it a fact.
    Apparently the BB theory came via the Catholic Church. Atheists like to point out that the CC accepts evolution, as though it makes it credible. To some it is suspect, and holds no credibility.
    I am aware of that.
    Sorry if I gave another impression.
    You was doing so well. Then you had to go calling God names.

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    Agreed.

    I accept your belief in evolution, but I don’t see it the way you do. Hope you can accept that.
     
  18. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    I am not forced to do anything of the sort. You provide vague, wishy-washy word salads to questions posed and I keep prodding for reasonable answers. You may have noticed others here have the same issue, yet you seem to think it's our problem we're not able to comprehend your responses. I even put up a video of kid who can provide answers that seem well beyond your capacity and ability. Not sure how that makes it my issue.
     
  19. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    So how did come to the conclusion that I meant that it does?
    It is because of God’s love that he allows us to dwell in His manifestation.
     
  20. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    It's like if I asked you detailed questions on how a turbo-fan jet engine worked, within minutes I would know if you knew what you were talking about. That's how we know you don't understand evolution. It's not like you can just fake it.
     
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  21. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Allowing and loving are two different things, what I asked are examples of Gods love, not what he allows.
     
  22. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think that I need to do that.

    I am open to any reasonable prospect put before me but I am incapable of accepting unsupported propositions coming from folk who did not know where the Sun went at night or put down illiness to demons. And taking the bible as an example of a holy book one might expect it to be absolutely correct given the claim that it's contents were inspired by god. Clearly it could not be so wrong and be inspired by any god. And to explain the active participation in our world of this god we get the nonsense about free will...I ask why suffering is part of the mix...oh free will etc humans fault not gods...oh and the flood..god made a bad batch of humans..what to do? Drown them like unwanted kittens..sure...this is as good a story these ancients could make up..well yes because they were early humans and that is as complex a plot they could manage...well actually the nicked the plot from an earlier civilization...mmm and the garden of Eden...not original at all.
    Then we have Christianity...a casual study of history shows many human god cults prior to JC leading to no other conclusion that he was sort of just an Elvis impersonator...and clearly all these human gods were based on astrology...
    If one studies history one finds that there is more evidence in support of no exodus for example which leaves it all hinting at being a myth.
    I see reliance on a belief in a god as delussional and very negative. I think folk who believe (if indeed they actually believe as opposed to using religion for a political unity) are fundamentally flawed, firstly they are gullible in the extreme and secondly they use their belief system to avoid accepting personal responsibilty or to avoid thinking deeply about morality....or science.
    Clearly scriptures are written by folk who do no more than express an opinion but then claim their babbling is devinely inspired which at best is a delusion at worst a terrible lie.
    So one can reasonably cast aside all claims by humans that they know about god or that he even exists.
    So if there is a god how do you find him...you can only speculate...you conclude there must be a creator? Why? Cause little human minds must relate to their experience which insists on a start to things...and then they need a creator or father...or as many cosmologies determined ...a cosmic egg..our big bang came from priests thinking about the various cultures who had invented the cosmic egg...
    Although beyond human grasp the only rational observation dictates the universe must be eternal as the only alternative is to invent an unevidenced creator...
    And all my words are speculation but I keep them as such and resist the urge theists fall victim to that speculation is a clear pathway to the truth.
    Is there a god? As much as I doubt there could be I do not declare my speculation fact and that one thing is what separates me from a theist. I know I don't know. I know there are things I don't know that I don't know.
    I will stick with being rational and accept personal responsibility for my actions, and hope humans can grow and shake off the superstition that imprisons most of them.
    Alex
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    By the scientific methodology, observation and experimental data, it is fact.
    Yes, Father George La-Maitre is referred to as the father of the BB. And of course those that find it suspect and without credibility, are still unable to offer an alternative that stands up to observational and experimental data as well as the BB.
    My fault...I havn't been a party to most of this thread.
    The point is Jan, which God?

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    Certainly I accept that, just as I do with my Mrs. My only beef with some religious people, is that they want to come to science forums such as this, preaching non science, myth and fairy tale stories. I respect you for your beliefs otherwise.
     

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