Advice concerning apparent corruption

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Dr_Toad, Jun 30, 2015.

  1. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

    Bullshit. Whites are generally more respectful of authority, so they don't buck up to cops as much as ghetto-raised blacks do. Go figure...
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Whites are also generally more bigoted, racist and misogynistic than blacks. (<- just as accurate.)
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  5. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

    Okay... seriously, lets cut the race card out of this folks
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  7. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member


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    Only because our pretense of democracy obliges Her to occasionally abide terrible advice given in bad faith.

    Meanwhile, society has repeatedly, in my lifetime, refused to fix these problems because the complaint is widely viewed as politically liberal. But don't worry, just like the Drug War, when what conservatives want gets out of hand, they just blame liberals, vote for more of the same, and get on with their lives.

    In other words, yeah, sorry, but take a number. Quite frankly, on the cosmic scale of bullshit corruption, I'm pretty sure your story isn't placing high on the list. I live at the edge of a small city where the cops are willfully creating traffic hazards in order to issue tickets as part of an apparent revenue scheme under a government that is the latest iteration of a bad idea by which the low-taxes, do-nothing, build it they will come attitude has left finances in a downward spiral; to wit, they can't afford to annex anything to expand their revenue base, and the economy limps along on the backs of small local businesses built on unstable models and thereby flitting in and out of existence according to the breeze, leaving the city to wait on property values to rise enough that, hopefully, the county won't cut out too much of the municipality's share, and that's supposed to go to the schools, for the most part, anyway, and this is what happens when we destroy the statewide revenue stream in the name of anti-governance government, so now local regimes are looking to gimmicks, including traffic tickets, to pay the bills.

    We keep going through this in American society. Debtor's prisons in Michigan; child abuse in Pennsylvania; a war on drugs instead of addiction services. There comes a point at which we must observe a basic political reality: We could have better things, including a stronger and more reliable context of justice, but that has not really been what Americans want. I'm forty-four years old, and the election of Barack Obama, and losing majority for Hillary Clinton are as close as I've ever seen Americans come to actually voting for the things our values purport to say we want. Liberty and Justice for All? Bullshit; given a chance, people vote against it. Here's a real statistic: There is an abstract statistical threshold by which we judge a community in crisis according to substance addiction and related behaviors; every county that was underwater in the opioid crisis voted for Donald Trump. While the phenomenon is well observed in other contexts, we tend to reserve votes from that classification, so the question still remains just how anyone thought electing Donald Trump would help the opioid crisis.

    Police corruption? Yeah, we could do something about that, as a society. But you know us, who talk about police corruption. We're just a bunch of cop-hating commies, and have been since before I was born, so why the fuck would anyone in American listen to us? No, really, we're either commies or feminists or black, and in any case the answer is the same.

    I think it was the Fraternal Order of Police in Baltimore, demanding unequivocal support, that finally did it; the acknowledgment that the police intend to kill their way out of the hole pretty much buried my already difficult regard for law enforcement until significant changes occur. And, you know, it is for various reasons, practical as well as really really stupid, very unlikely that the problem you describe will place high on the list of priorities.

    Well, you know, unless maybe we offer to trade out general assholism during extraneous traffic racketeering stops for upping the quota on black men they can kill for no reason before society pretends to care.

    I honestly don't know what to tell you about personally-associated issues unless you have enough money for an attorney who doesn't give a damn whether or not he has to work with these people again. And your attorney needs to be able to set a hook in one of the cops. And then you just spend money flaying away chunks of the shield until you strike your pound of flesh.

    But in terms of using the law to discourage corruption, as a liberal I can tell you to expect ninety-nine out of a hundred of those votes to go against you. The People love them some tough-trash law enforcement. In the end, we can certainly have some better justice, but that means approximately half our public discourse needs to stop aiming to protect and preserve traditional systemic corruption.
  8. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

    After your temporary ban expired I was able to see what it was for. I spent a good part of the day showing this thread to my black friends, and two folks I don't know but to say hello to. None of them found anything wrong with what I said, and one of the strangers actually laughed and said, "Damn straight! What's the matter with those folk?"

    Does that satisfy you that I'm not racist, or are you too set in your ways? Threatening me with a permanent ban is like the snowflakes whipping up false outrage over someone not agreeing with every stupid thing that pours out of their ignorant mouths.

    Ban me, feel better about yourself. Or shut the fuck up and let other voices speak sometimes.

    It means nothing to me to stay in this forum: No science remains, only hand-wringing about Trump and the scared little hoodlums that dress in black, carry sticks and wear masks so they won't be identified for assault and rioting.
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  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Just as a note -

    Having a friend who is OK with something you say has nothing to do whether it's acceptable in public. I have a good friend going on 20 years who is gay. If I called him a faggot he'd laugh and say "and a damn good one!"

    That does not make it OK to call people faggots (or choose your own sexist/racist/religious slur) on a public forum.
  10. Dr_Toad It's green! Valued Senior Member

    I didn't make any slurs toward anyone. I pointed out some truth.

    That seems to be forbidden these days. What ever happened to freedom of speech in public? I didn't yell "Fire!". I didn't use epithets, I didn't say any group is better than another intrinsically.

    I meant what I said, my friends agreed that it was inoffensive, and I'm sticking with that. If anyone needs a safe space, go hide in it.
  11. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

    Who do you thank is more respectful to authority... getto raised blacks or getto raised whites.???
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  12. The God Valued Senior Member

    I think time has come for you to leave this place or have a longer holiday, Dr_Toad. You are too abusive a person, not worthy of any exchange whatsoever.
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    "My friends said" does not a Truth make.
  14. wellwisher Banned Banned

    • White supremacist propaganda is precisely unacceptable.
    This has to do with the police applying crime statistics to determine potential risk.

    [Mod edit: Strike white supremacist propaganda link.]

    • The evidence suggests that if there is police racial bias in arrests it is negligible. Victim and witness surveys show that police arrest violent criminals in close proportion to the rates at which criminals of different races commit violent crimes.
    • There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups
    • In 2013, of the approximately 660,000 crimes of interracial violence that involved blacks and whites, blacks were the perpetrators 85 percent of the time. This meant a black person was 27 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa. A Hispanic was eight times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa.
    • If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent
    • In an all-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent

    The way police deal with unknown people of different races is similar to the way people deal with unknown dogs. People are more likely to be afraid of an unknown pit bull than an unknown toy poodle. This is not due to dog racism, but due to knowledge of bite statistics. This is how science works. The scientists will base inference on the available data. The left has tried to create confusion so there are fewer scientistic conclusions and more conclusion based on politics.
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  15. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    Personal perspective:

    When younger, my older brother and I looked almost identical. I liked cops, and he didn't. During interactions with cops, I always fared better than did he. I was always respectful of and friendly with the cops without yielding a freaking inch, centimeter of millimeter of my rights, and occasionally (politely) reminded the policemen of their oath to protect those rights.

    Divided federal appeals court rules you have the right to film the police
    Filming cops, 2-1 court rules, ensures that they "are not abusing their power."
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  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member


    The simple fact that you feel that "well a black guy said it isn't racist" means anything is rather telling.

    It is sad that you are so angry and bitter, to be honest. One has to question what happens in a persons life to make them this way.

    I would state, quite plainly and with no uncertainty, that your issue with the police stems from just that - your issues with the police.

    Are there bad apples? Of course - and they need removed ASAP. The whole system is rather fucked right now, so obviously that isn't happening... but the rank and file police officer just wants to be able to do his or her job and get home to their family.

    Your apparent desire to crucify the lot of them... yeah, doesn't really help your case any.

    As for "shut the fuck up", no. I think not. You are quite welcome to speak your mind, but you WILL adhere to the rules of this forum, as you agreed when you signed up. If you have a problem with that, then I am more than happy to resolve that conflict for you right now. It has nothing to do about "feeling better about myself", and everything to do with a simple fact - you are not the center of the universe, you are not a special snowflake, and if you, sir, need a safe space, then damn did you come to the wrong place (in fact, the internet in general is the wrong place).

    If you want to go somewhere where you can spit racist rhetoric all day, I would suggest any number of places you can find on the Southern Poverty Law Centers website.

    If you want to conduct yourself like a rational, thinking, decent human being, then you are more than welcome here.
  17. wellwisher Banned Banned

    The left has conditioned its based to act using the same tactics they accuse the police of. The white, straight, male, Christian can be shaken down by the PC police and this is not considered a crime. It has nothing to do with case by case, based on direct individual evidence of violation. Rather it is all based on a stereo type of accumulative misdeeds of the past. The police act based on current crime statistics. The worse demographics for the past few years get the most attention. The PC police act based on what they assume to be average historical crime statistics often that include people who have bene dead for decades.

    Since the leftist PC shakedown is not considered a crime, than all other forms of crimes, by the protected demographics are assumed to under this umbrella. If there is a riot and looting, this is supposed to be ignored as restitution, even if the perpetrators were never slaves and are young enough to have been fully covered by PC pampering and preferential treatment. It does not add up to restitution, but adds to new crime. The left has created this criminal confusion, since it leaders are into various forms of crime. They use this as cover.
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  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

    I am consistently surprised at the volume of utter bullshit you imagine up on a regular basis.

    Are there issues in the police force? Hell yes. Are they anything new, or a result of recent socio-political motions? Not at all. The biggest things, IMHO, that contribute to this is a two fold failure in mentality (that we need to fear or otherwise hate the police being one of them, the other being this idea of the "fraternal brotherhood" of police needs to look out for itself and each other first and foremost, rather than the public good... which means officers who are witnessed doing something shady by another officer are often given a pass).

    More than anything, it is the fact that everybody and their grandmother has a high definition camera on them at all times (thanks to camera phones) and so these issues are being thrust into the light.

    Don't get me wrong - this is a good thing. After all, these issues could not be addressed while they were hidden. However, fear mongering and sewing distrust against officers is NOT the solution. The majority of these officers are good, hard working folks that like everybody else, just want to do their job and get home to their families... with the added caveat that they don't know if someone is going to shoot/stab/bludgeon them or run them over or any number of things.
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  19. Bells Staff Member

    Mod Note

    So speaking up about something only goes one way?

    In other words, you get to spout your bigoted comments, but we have to remain silent and "shut the fuck up" to allow you to be offensive?

    How does that work exactly?

    It never ceases to amaze that those like you, who whine about "freedom of speech" are only interested in their own speech and no one else and if anyone dares speak up against your racism, then we are all snowflakes who apparently need our safe spaces.. While ignoring the bleeding obvious in your hiding behind "freedom of speech" on a privately owned website, not based in the US and privy to your constitution, is your own safe space..

    For your FYI, being a privately owned website, that states clearly in its posting rules that "we" do not believe in unlimited free speech.. something you agreed to when you signed up here.. Guess what, Toad? When you were warned and then banned for your racist stereotyping, that was letting you know that your comments were not welcome and against this site's rules:

    Hate speech and stereotyping
    I6. Hate speech, defined as the vilification of groups of people based on their race, religion, country of origin, sex, sexual orientation, political affiliation etc. is not tolerated on sciforums.

    I7. Stereotyping a member based on his or her membership of a group (e.g. his or her race, religion, country of origin, sex, sexual orientation, political affiliation) is unlikely to be conducive to civil discussion and will usually attract moderator attention. It is acceptable to point out similarities and differences among groups, but only as long as this is supported by argument or evidence.

    I8. The use of vulgar or demeaning words to describe a group of people – particularly a group that includes a member whom you are addressing – is unacceptable.

    Your friends do not think it was unacceptable? Great for you. We aren't your friends and this site is a privately owned website. Your racism is not acceptable on this website. And as far as this discussion goes, is actually what matters within the context of this website. Understand now?

    You are free to spout your racism to your black friends and they will probably laugh along with you while thinking to themselves 'what an arsehole!', but out of politeness, will probably remain silent, but you don't get that pass here.

    No one here cares enough to protect your feelings and your right to be a racist bigot.

    I hope that is clear enough for you and has cleared up any confusion you may have had about how and what you post here..
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  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Nothing at all. Note that your post has not been deleted - even on this private (not public) website.

    Of course, other people are also free to point out that you are a racist.

    Ain't freedom great?
  21. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

    Say what you want, it's still glaringly ignorant. Black people historically and currently get beaten by cops for little or no reason. White people are treated with more respect. So of course the relationship between cops and blacks is different. Read it and melt, snowflake.

    Cops Speak to White People With More Respect Than Black People: Study

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