Afterlife Communication Machine

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  1. davidelkins Registered Senior Member

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    It is proposed that an afterlife communication machine be built that would allow communication between still living people and people of the afterlife. What would be the nuts and bolts of the machine? Please weigh in. DE
     
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  3. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Magic.
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    This is neither maths nor physics.
    To communicate with the "afterlife" you'd first have to establish that said "afterlife" exists.

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  7. davidelkins Registered Senior Member

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    But the question remains, can you with physics communicate with the afterlife, not with some voodoo doll. The point is to apply math and physics to communicate with the afterlife, rather than employ nebulous rituals. By the way, developing a communication devise leads to proving the afterlife exists. Do I abandon my proving method until the afterlife is proved? No, of course not.

    If an afterlifer can move even one atom with their mind, then they could communicate with still living people. Still living people move and operate their bodies with their minds. At the bare minimum, an afterlifer needs to be able to move at least one atom at a time. Then communication can occur. The success of any machine to produce two-way communication with afterlifers would be dependent on this. DE
     
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  8. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    You'll have more luck inventing a device to talk to unicorns. Should you abandon that until after unicorns have been proven to exist?
     
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  9. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    So this question assumes:
    1. The dead exist in an afterlife
    2. That they can communicate with us, and us with them
    3. The method of communication is known

    And you want to know what the nuts and bolts of a machine capable of such communication would be?

    Well, if you arrive at a method in 3 that involves the physical realm then all you have to do is to be able to observe the method in action and then be able to discern signals received from noise that might otherwise appear.
    If you think that the dead can communicate through em signals, for example, then try listening on an em receiver and try to discern true communication from the background noise. This is what people who listen to static try to do.

    Once you have established what you think the method of communication is/should be then the physics and maths is relatively simple. We established that alien life in the universe might be detectable through em signals, so we built / use telescopes to look for such signals. Etc.

    But while alien life is scientifically possible, and it is not a difficult stretch to imagine that they may communicate the same way (em) as we do, determining the method of communication for something that is not known to be even scientifically possible is pretty much a case of just making up a method of communication and looking for it.

    Your suggested method of moving atoms with their mind also assumes quite a bit:
    1. That living people move stuff with their mind (I.e. Mind tells hand to pick up cup), while this is an unyet unproven state of affairs... Does the mind have actual agency, or the illusion of it (i.e. is mind merely part and parcel of the chain of cause and effect, and our conscious awareness of it a by-product of its complexity)?
    2. That dead people (if they exist) can interact with physical matter. This presupposes either that dead people are made up of physical matter, or that they can control matter with some non-material mechanism.
    3. That such communication is discernible from noise.

    One might as well assume that if dead people can communicate then they'd be picking up pieces of chalk and writing on blackboards.

    So to answer your question: just make up any communication method you want, no matter how simple, complex, ridiculous... Then determine what it would take to observe it in action. And to discern it from noise.
    Et voila.
     
  10. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    To be fair we do look for alien life on other planets by assuming that they exist and that we know how they'll communicate. Yet we can not prove they exist, and only assume that they might through subjective statistics starting with the fact that we are alive.
    They are at least scientifically possible.
    Dead people, however... when someone shows them to be scientifically possible, then may the scientific search begin.

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  11. sweetpea Registered Senior Member

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    Eye of bat, toe of newt, big pinch of salt and if you like...some nuts.
    35 days to halloween, can this thread be kept going to then??
     
  12. Bells Staff Member

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    Mod Note

    Moving to Pseudoscience.

    Davidelkins, please do not post woo in the science sub-forums.
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    No it doesn't.

    1) Unless you can show that an afterlife actually exists (and determine its "properties") how do you ascertain HOW to communicate with it?
    2) Unless you can show that the afterlife exists then any communication that's not with "something here" can't be said categorically to be with that afterlife. For all you know such communication may be with Batman. Or unicorns.

    1) Again - you need to establish that "afterlifers" exist.
    2) And that moving atoms with the mind is possible.
    3) And then that "moving atoms with the mind" leads to communication.

    Outright drivel.

    Nope.
     
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  14. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder what believers in an afterlife think about the functions of the brain of a living person.

    It seems very obvious to me that memory & thought processes are functions of a living person's brain. When a person dies, the brain ceases to have have memories or other active functional processes.

    Those who believe otherwise should describe where those memories & thought processes occur while the person is alive. Perhaps in 4D space associated with the living person? Perhaps invisible, but always near the person?​
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    There are times when I'm not entirely convinced that those who believe in an afterlife (or posit questions about it) have brain functions.
     
  16. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    If there was an "after" life, what would be the point of a before-death? Why doesn't everthing just start dead?
     
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  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, yes, you do. You have no choice.

    Your communication device will have zero components to it, until and unless you have a working model of how this afterlife manifests.

    Name one component your device will have for which you don't first need to establish a means by which the afterlife might manifest.
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    This is worth repeating.

    Without a working model, how would you know it is communication with the afterlife? How would you verify you're not just hallucinating?
     
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  19. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Well to build one, first you need a quantum oscillation containment matrix - one made out of hypersaturated quartz would be the most effective, but a sapphire shell coated in graphite will be almost as good.

    Then you need to figure out a way of filtering static from actual metaconscious resonance, the easiest way to develop a working filter would be to infuse an ionic plasma conductor with chakra energy.

    Of course you'd need to work out the exact frequency for the filter with some fractal pattern recognition software, taking into account your proximity to the local ley lines in order to balance the apparitional flux.
     
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  20. davidelkins Registered Senior Member

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    Alright, what are the properties of the afterlife? The universe has properties, so let's assume that the afterlife does as well. What would those properties be? Let me take a wild guess. You cannot change the fact that an event in the afterlife has happened. In other words, you cannot go back in time and change an event from happening. DE
     
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  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    1) It's made of custard.
    2) It tastes of green.
    3) Batman is still the main man.

    If true it doesn't help toward achieving communication.
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You can if you have a sufficient quantity of pixie dust.
     
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