Afterlife Communication Machine

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by davidelkins, Sep 26, 2016.

  1. birch Valued Senior Member

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    You all are making fun of this when an afterlife may exist. There are way more strange stories of people having visitations from spirits or entities from feeling a presence to actual physical touch or impressions of a form such as indentation on bed quilt etc. This has been going on for a very long time with many people and countless unexplained phenomena.

    There are no stories of unicorn sightings because it doesnt exist just like santa claus or the tooth fairy. But ghosts, shadow figures, presences etc are still debatable.
     
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  3. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    And?
    Yes, it may exist (along with unicorns, the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus) - but there is still no data available to even start to build equipment that enables "communication" with it.

    Yup: stories.

    Yeah?
    Unicorn sightings: 1, 2, 3 ...
    Santa Claus: here.
    Tooth fairy: here.

    Only if you have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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  5. geordief Registered Senior Member

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    Are there any others in this thread who entertain the possibility of there being an afterlife and it being possible to communicate with this supposed "afterlife" with a machine?

    If there are maybe they can advise you .

    The rest of us may find it hard to resist taking pot shots so you may need to dig out a helmet

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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It is only when someone attempts to move it from 'maybe' to 'let's asssume it does' that the fun comes out.
    Like with Superman, one needs to know where the line is between musings and rationality.

    Proposing to design a device that connects with something that is unknown and communicates by way of unknown channels (since there isn't even a model yet), is tantamount to supposing Superman exists and then trying to work out the physics of his flight.

    This doesn't belong in PseudoScience since it isn't even pseudoscience - it's fantasy*.

    *not the afterlife, per se, but specifically a communication device
     
  8. Goliathus Registered Member

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    We have higher chance developing something from stopping people from going to 'afterlife' then to make communication device to talk with dead people

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  9. karenmansker HSIRI Registered Senior Member

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    Casimir (effect) transceiver is one place to start.
     
  10. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Don't let these sceptics put you off David they obviously can't come up with any original ideas and so they just critisize your idea.

    We should team up you give me your cell phone number over dose by drinking 4 pints of good whisky and I will text you in a couple of days. When you get there, the afterlife, get together a team to start work on the project on that side.
    I just know there is a market for such a machine and if any one watching wants one we can take pre orders written on a $100 note.

    Thank you David for your entertaining op.

    Alex
     
  11. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    You're making the assumption that there would be a sequence of changing states in an afterlife. But this is justified by definition since the "life" word-unit of the term entails "the actions and events that occur in living".

    The "life" word-unit also seems to imply being embodied or having some spatial shape so as to be involved in such actions and events. In turn, that indeed introduces yet another extended "place" (akin to this reality) which those circumstances and developments would dwell and be inter-coordinated within.

    Ergo, "afterlife" is not a sign or signal for an immaterial situation. [Which is to say: Lacking spatial relationships and attributes; size-less, shapeless, without location, and arguably only inducing effects and changes on / in something else rather than being modifiable itself; as aloof as a potent principle.]

    There is the superficial semantic threat of the "after" word-unit asserting something which follows and negates the characteristics of "living" altogether. But the typical usage of "afterlife" seems to attest that it merely means "following this particular life" rather than being a synonym for extinction / absence, immaterial be-ing or utterly exotic existence, etc.

    However, your (arbitrary?) suggestion of "you cannot go back in time and change an event" in an afterlife implies that there would be a past which still is, regardless of the capacity to modify it. Otherwise, why even bother addressing a fictional entity to declare such unalterable?

    This is a similar hypothesis about the domain of the current life: That past, present, and future are a co-existing continuum. That the experience of "now" is specious and is as much a psychological product of brain structure as the rest of our extrospective / introspective experiences. IOW, "now" would not indicate a corresponding privileged state in an objective version of the world.

    In turn, the aforementioned brain organization would refer not to a typical 3D snapshot of the specious "now" but to an extra-dimensional extended structure (embedded in the overall continuum) which we interpreted as neural actions or changes happening over many of our specious "now" experiences. Which we traditionally or via commonsense custom assume to be a limited example of all there is to the cosmos.

    This has consequences for an afterlife concept. Because if one's lifetime of body changes still abide in a non-perished past and even across their future, then how does one ever go permanently extinct in such an ontological framework? So that passage to an afterlife or other domain would be warranted? Which is to say, the afterlife concept is prematurely assuming that it is even possible to escape this current life by virtue of death. Yet the death point of the human brain / body would be just as much another resident of the specious "now" experiences as the rest of the moments.

    PAUL DAVIES: Although researchers have failed to find evidence for a single “time organ” in the brain, in the manner of, say, the visual cortex, it may be that future work will pin down those brain processes responsible for our sense of temporal passage. It is possible to imagine drugs that could suspend the subject’s impression that time is passing. Indeed, some practitioners of meditation claim to be able to achieve such mental states naturally.

    And what if science were able to explain away the flow of time? Perhaps we would no longer fret about the future or grieve for the past. Worries about death might become as irrelevant as worries about birth. Expectation and nostalgia might cease to be part of human vocabulary. Above all, the sense of urgency that attaches to so much of human activity might evaporate. No longer would we be slaves to Henry Wadsworth Longfellow’s entreaty to “act, act in the living present,” for the past, present and future would literally be things of the past.
    --That Mysterious Flow ... SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN; SEPTEMBER 2002
     
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  12. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    The machine would not require bolts. Only nuts.
     
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  14. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Ummmm In fact every thing did start dead. Ummmm That's not quite correct. Being dead implies that the dead had at one time been alive.

    Lets start by saying that there was NO life in the cosmos.

    Life appeared.

    Shortly after death appeared.

    All the atoms that had been taking part in the life process went back to being plain atoms.

    Sob sob. No process, no way to do anything let alone communicate with the atoms still involved in living.

    After life is DEAD.

    Before life is elemental Watson

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  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not sure you read Deacon's post accurately.

    "...what would be the point of a before-death..."
     
  16. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Ummm.

    Deep "...what would be the point of a before-death..."

    Before life is elemental Watson

    Also Before life is the same as a Before death.

    Elemental.

    Gotta have those pesky ell-e-ments to make those darn tootin life starting blocks don't yer kno.

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  17. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Nope.
    No-one expects you to have (for example) a job before life.
     
  18. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Well didn't you have it easy

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    before life if you wernt a working.

    I was brung up the hard way. Through a thin pipe after they drilled down aways to get me.

    Next things I knos a bunch of silly hilly billies are pushing me up.

    Next things I remember is being warmed up and scrubbed clean.

    Boy if I could have gets out I was under pressure to light the place up.

    Then it was the tank for me. Shit shit shit sucked up again and put to work inside ones of them fandangle horsless carrage moters.

    After tat big bang it's all a blur but I knos I worked dang hard befors I gots alive

    Pit ding
     
  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Another incoherent half-wit for the ignore list ...
     
  20. river Valued Senior Member

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    Afterlife machine ?

    How mechanical perspectives of life have become .
     
  21. spidergoat Speak of the Devil Valued Senior Member

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  22. river Valued Senior Member

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  23. spidergoat Speak of the Devil Valued Senior Member

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    If it works, why does it have to be overtly mechanical?

     

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