AI and the singularity

...but are YOU sure River?

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Yes, but quantum wave collapse is not just about photons. All waves are subject to collapse and create a "bing".
At least that's how I understand Hameroff.

 

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How can a wave collapse, given that they repeat?

 

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Are humans the inventors of information processing or did information processing exist since the beginning as a potential of spacetime itself?

The universe was not able to behave computer-like until man came along, sounds like hubris to me.

IMO, this ties in precisely with the concept of mathematics being the exclusive invention of man and the universe did not have any mathematical properties until man came along.....hubrissssss!

 

Mathematics is irrelevant to the existence of physical objects , neither in the micro nor macro .

Without physical objects , mathematics could never exist .

 

When they hit something or exceed a treshold and collapse into a different state....a "bing" moment.

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Microtubules are one of the cytoskeletal filament systems in eukaryotic cells. The microtubule cytoskeleton is involved in the transport of material within cells, carried out by motor proteins that move on the surface of the microtubule.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orchestrated_objective_reduction

And an interesting article on a symposium organized by Google, with possible interest in quantum computer technologies.
https://discovermagazine.com/bonus/quantum

 

Why not? IMO, Universal (not human) mathematics are an essential potential of spacetime fabric. What are we talking about when we speak of spacetime coordinates? Metaphysical coordinate points in space, no? Yet they are mathematical geometrics, by any name.

I would suggest that without mathematics physical objects could not exist. Physical objects are patterns. Self ordering patterns are a mathematical function. Else we have chaos, and even then mathematical patterns become manifest, albeit at the probabilistic level only.

 

If the wave collapses , because of observation by us , what of one hundred observers , observing the same wave ?

 

How does space and time have a fabric , unto themselves , without any thing physical existing on which to place any coordinates on ?

 

The co-ordinates are located in space.

 

Yes

Based on the movement(s) of an object(s) . Based further on the objects , forms of energy and interactions with other objects .

 

Ai , needs a physical Universe to exist .

Plus intelligence , life

 

Define space and time as physical things without form?

 

What you understand as motivated intelligence is in reality a implacable quasi-intelligent mathematical function. Life emerging from inanimate chemistry.

 

The term observer is an impersonal term and has nothing to do with vision or recording. Observation merely means cause and result. A wave hitting a wall will collapse, whether anyone is looking or not.

The double slit experiment proves that the interference pattern will emerge regardless of an observer. We can run the experiment while out of the room. Then after he experiment has finished we enter the room and behold, the interference pattern has emerged on the photo plate.

 

You can't

 

Actually a wave hitting a wall is what inspired me to question the, "wave collapse" theory. A wave hitting a wall simply reverses and returns. Consider a pond, or a lake. The wave is reflected.

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Then why bring in an observer into the equation ?

 

You tell me, spacetime coordinate is a mainstream term in relation to GR, no?

 

How do flowers reflect color? Part of the light has been absorbed, no? How much light does a black surface reflect.