AI and the singularity

Discussion in 'Intelligence & Machines' started by arfa brane, Jun 9, 2017.

  1. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    How do you know what happens to physics when no-one is looking? Example: "If a tree falls in a forest, and no-one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
     
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  3. river

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    Yes

    I call GR , general relativity , general relation perspective .
     
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  5. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Fair point write4u. But some of the light has been reflected.
     
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  7. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Just a question, but should one be in London, England, and place an object representing Earth ten paces from an object representing the Sun, on that scale, how far is the nearest star...?
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Its a term used to indicate a "perspective", not a person standing watching.
     
  9. river

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    Yet it is the observer that collapses the wave .
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_(physics)
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    no, it is the action that collapses the probability wave into energy.... a "bing". That's what quantum is all about, IMO
     
  12. river

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    The action of the observer upon the wave .
     
  13. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    ...The answer is Johannesburg.

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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    False question. Question should be; "does it create a wave function"?
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    No, it's just an observable event. You're assigning mystical properties to "observation".

    Just visualize (observe?) how human vision works. It only creates a "best guess", of what we are looking at, in our brains. And that is due to only to that tiny portion of the wave which strikes and collapses on our retina and is further processed by the microtubules in the brain neurons. (Orch-OR)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtubule
     
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  16. river

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    Thought influences the wave .
     
  17. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    A tree falling in a forest does not create a wave function, no. What do you have to say now?
     
  18. river

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    It does create a wave . Because of the density of the air .
     
  19. river

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    Not necessarily but it does create a wave .
     
  20. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    You mean a sound wave? Interesting! Could be, could be. But what could cause someone to forget such a sound wave, or would you argue that they can still remember it?

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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Subjectively yes. We make "best guesses" of what we observe. Objectively, when our brains guess wrong, nothing changes in reality.
    Optical illusions clearly demonstrate this. Our brain is an organic computer and limited in the amount and type of information it can process.

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    Try to see A and B as the same color. You cannot do it.......Here is the proof A and B are the same color.

    A perfect example of the brain's inability to guess the right color.
     
  22. river

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    But in Nature colours are what they are , cones in our eyes are not based on an illusion .
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Sure, there are people with perfect pitch, who can vocally duplicate the exact note without listening. OTOH, there are people who can listen to a sound and are unable to even come close. They are tone-deaf, their brains lack the right conformation to duplicate the precise wavelength.
     
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