Oh look, the troll still dodges. Okay, let me be very clear.. Your version of "do what it takes" amounts to throwing women's fundamental human rights off that cliff. And no, for obvious reasons, I am not willing to do that, nor am I willing to bow down to or embrace rape culture for the sake of politics. You have made clear that you are. So your harping on this, well, as I noted earlier in the Roy Moore thread, you are simply making my point for me. You seem to have this expectation that we completely forget all that you have said, Kitta. Why? Why aren't you willing to answer for the things you have argued for, embraced, and endorsed these past few weeks? I can assure you, we haven't forgotten. That rubbish you spouted about women's human rights, your open embrace of rape culture for politics, your willingness to not even factor in that women are human beings with rights equal to your own because hey, that can go off the cliff because 'politics!'.. That's the stuff that will stick to you, Kitta. That won't wash off. My linking and quoting your own words back to you is not slander, Kitta. There's a reason why you keep ignoring it, because if you have to answer for it, then perhaps, you might realise that you'd have to look at the faces of the women in your life and know that you were willing to sell their human rights for the sake of lower taxes and winning in politics. How does that feel, by the way? How does it feel to know that your wife's future rests on the laurels of people just like you, who are willing to sell off her human rights, her bodily rights, her access to health care, her ability to interact in the economy as an equal, her right to be equal, for the sake of politics? Can you look her in the eyes and tell her 'honey, sorry, but your human rights just aren't that important right now, because we have to win back Government'? Because that is essentially what you have argued, that is essentially what you argued when you declared that women's rights can go off in that trolley cart, because you think it is more beneficial to focus on winning back government. When I quote or link your words back to you, it's not slander. It's the reality of what you have said on this website. I did warn you in the back room, that you were treading down a dangerous road Kitta. Not dangerous for you. But dangerous for the women around you. Because your willingness to sell off their rights for politics, that's the shit that will come back to you, again and again and again. When you willingly throw your morality out the window for politics, you know, "get your hands dirty" so that your children don't have to do it, what? You think you are on some moral crusade? You are on a selfish crusade. You want to know how your kids hands don't have to get dirty? Start recognising their mother as a human being with rights equal to your own and defend that and teach your kids that girls and women are equal, and with that equality comes respect. As I said to you repeatedly, it starts with you. So no, you don't get to cry slander when I quote your own words back to you. You certainly do not get to cry slander about your own words and argument when you went out of your way to join in actually slandering me with false accusations as you openly did. And the sexism comes to the fore. Tell me, Kitta, do you feel like a big man when you infantalise me like that? When you try to silence me as a child, do you feel better about yourself? Does it make you feel all powerful? When you call me a "petulant child" (which is ironic given your repeated meltdowns these past few weeks), do you feel big and strong? Do you think this is a winning strategy in a debate? Let me guess, you're one of those guys who tries to stand up straighter so that you can look down your nose at people, perhaps with a smirk on your face, and that little "shrug", in an attempt to hide just how little you understand the discussion? These protections have been in place a long time, Kitta. What? You haven't noticed that women's health and human rights is suffering as a result of these policies already existing in hospitals? You know, the very human rights you said wasn't important right now because there were more important things, like winning politics, taxes, etc, do deal with. Given how many times we have discussed these issues, your attempts to now claim it as important, given what you have argued thus far in these threads, as an attempt to draw attention away from yourself, is really transparent, but it also speaks of a level of ignorance from you that should be raising eyebrows. What's the matter? This is now important to you? I don't need to wonder why. Are you aware that if something happens to your wife (and I sincerely hope it does not) in her pregnancy, that if you take her to a catholic run hospital, they will refuse to do anything for her if there is still a foetal heartbeat? Are you aware that there other men like you out there, who flicked that switch, and as a result, women do not have equal rights? Perhaps before you come out with trolley car analogies, perhaps before you start going on about the "greater good" while selling off our rights (rights that aren't yours to sell or give away), perhaps when you start comparing women's rights to Animal Farm, you should remember what men like you do to women. In short, you don't get to whine about something you openly advocated for these past few weeks. When you flick that switch and sell women's rights off in that trolley cart, this is what happens and it has been happening for decades. You embraced it, advocated for it repeatedly. Don't start whining as though this is important to you. Especially when in the previous post, you again ask about getting hands dirty. Your hands aren't just dirty. You threw yourself in. And you think selling off women's human rights is the way to go about it? You have argued that women are lower class citizens for the sake of your politics and you have argued along those lines repeatedly in this thread and the other threads. So don't start ranting when you are on record as embracing the ideology to begin with. This one is on you. As I said, if you want to fix it, look in the mirror. My battle was always zero tolerance and human rights, Kitta. You're the one that pitched the fit about it and your inner macho misogyny came to the fore and you fully embraced rape culture. You don't get to whine when we take you at face value.