(alpha) Reinventing Sciforums -1- Choosing New Mods

No, SAM. Please continue the current format, I have no solution for the problem.

 

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I see that you add this paragraph to your post after I reply. No, Shorty has done no personal attack on you. Carry on.

 

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I think you're making this more complicated than it needs to be amethyst08. What recently happened with the Tiassa-Baron Max case reflects poorly on Tiassa and Tiassa alone. Three other moderators, including one administrator, objected to Tiassa's reasoning for a ban. And other moderators, such as S.A.M., are still able to maintain fair moderating standards against people they personally dislike in their respectinve subforums. I don't see why the whole system needs to be retooled because of one offense by one moderator.

 

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Inzomnia, there was a women here a long time ago called "lady" (though she was anything BUT a lady). At the time tiassa wasnt a mod and i was running ethics and we were having quite a similar situation to the one baron max is having except in her case it was that she kept spewing religious dogma all over my section in order to demonise homosexuality. She was just as unable to produce any empirical evidence to surport her claims as barron is in the gay frey and MetaKron (and clones) are being in the RSPCA thread.

I had members complaining left right and center most paticually tiassa and we looked like losing alot of quite productive members and threads over 1 poster. This was as unaceptable to portfiry as it was to the rest of the mods and the members in general and in the end i was left with no choice but to hack a fair percentage of the open threads in ethics, either spliting them, deleting them out of hand or locking them.

I doubt there was any posts of lady's left in ethics by the time i was done yet this was no personal vendeta but rather the course of action forced on me

Now for me this was compleatly inpersonal but do you think it remained so for her?

what your suggesting is that i should have kept hacking till i recived a complaint from her and then left it at that because she would have cried "personal atack" and i would have been unable to further mod her. Now at the time there was no banning procidures set in place, ALL bans were no second chances and they were all done by dave quite reluctantly. There for i think i ended up having to take this course of action twice before i THINK she was banned in the end. Even if i got through the whole thing without complaint after the first she would cry "personal atack" and be free to spam at will

What your sugesting would hamstring all action at this site, you would be left with only the ability to moderate those who "liked" you, which would mean those who dont stir up enough trouble to REQUIRE moderation.

 

Don't feel inhibited inzomnia, what I explained to you through my posts are some of the problems we moderators face when attacked. Sometimes, no matter what you do, there is no solution. So inspite of several discussions, we tend to try and err on the side of caution. If you have any suggestions, we will discuss them [as we will discuss your letter when Plazma comes]. Contrary to popular opinion, problem posters are not treated unkindly out of personal grudges, but are allowed to continue posting in the interest of the community and a sense of fairness.

 

One major problem is that the term\title of moderator is a misnomer on an internet forum. Mods are basically biased administrators.

Would have been better off using something like this:

Adminstrator Level 1
Adminstrator Level 2
Adminstrator Level 3

This way when one is particularly troublesome they can say "what do you want me to tell you, they are a Level 3 Admin".

 

I am merely responding to this thread, which is a proposal from Avatar (see the opening post). My first respond was, I don't think there is a need to completely done house cleaning. In my opinion, the problem are only arises in some particular subforum, or to be exact, with certain moderators, so why waste energy to completely doing house cleaning?

And then I suggested that, as part of problem solution, even the moderator under the spotlight doesn't need to be replaced, because their moderation are just fine, except some personal problem here and there (Tiassa vs Baron Max, SAM vs Shorty/M*W, Asguard vs Lou/Kadark, etc). And hence I suggest some problem solution.

 

I only suggested the idea for the moderator who has personal problem with particular members. For example, Ben can continue to moderates Reiku, it is perfectly fine as there is nothing personal there. I also won't insist, I merely offering solution.

 

So basically whomever gave the title of moderator was just wrong. They are not moderators, they do NOT moderate and most of them are far from moderate.

In some cases they would better be called extremeorater.

 

In your case, though, I think you work too slow. You have received a lot of personal attack (attack on your moderation, but can not be proven), but I don't see you do anything about it. Take randomly post from M*W or Shorty which attack you, is it about your moderation or personal? If it is personal, it breaches forum rules, why don't you report to admin for personal attack then? According to forum rules, it warrants bans. Or are you happy when people hijacking thread into SAM vs Shorty or M*W cat'sfight?

 

Were you standing at a podium slamming your fist when you wrote that?

 

I don't have to do anything about it. The onus is up to the accusers to report unfair moderation. If they don't follow the guidelines [provide links, threads, examples of unfair moderation], they are ignored. Or asked to provide them.

I have discussed it with Plazma.

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What about the attack from otheadp? Did you report it as personal attack, SAM? Or you just accept it because you are afraid people will say you misuse your power? Or are you just happy and accept every attack?

 

:soapbox: Please, John.... :bawl:

 

Hey, dictators dont cry.

 

I have PM'ed otheadp about it. Truth to tell, I was surprised it was not deleted. But then I was surprised when the "Muslims lie" thread was not closed either. I guess people have different ideas of what constitutes insults and stereotypes. You cannot force anyone to see your point of view. Most likely only reported posts are dealt with and I rarely report posts.

 

Please hold on.. (going to use search function for a moment)

 

Here, SAM, post #96 in this thread:

What do you do to that post? Do you just accept it and let it blow in the wind? Do you accept all accusation? or have you reported it as personal attack which could warrant warning or ban?

 

I have discovered that all personal attacks against me devolve into power issues. ie why is she a mod. As if being a moderator of Biology should dictate your ethical, religious and political opinions.

As such, I see them as fear rather than anger or revenge. And no I don't report such attacks.