Amnesty International and Hamas

Discussion in 'World Events' started by BenTheMan, Feb 19, 2009.

  1. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Which you would unequivocally support anyway, so why even try to use it as some kind of parallel moral example?

    "We"? Are you now the mindthink of islam? Are you in communion with the Onemind at the moment?

    In point of fact, there are several islamic movements that consider either a) that all land belongs to this mythical "Allah" anyway or b) consider such demographic warfare as entirely moral. Are you representative of them too?

    Of the entire area plus Transjordan. Of Palestine itself, the land allocation was roughly proportional to population.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I think nirakar has already addressed your land/population fiction. Immigrants are not citizens unless they are given such status by the native population. They have no rights beyond that such people give to them. I know thats difficult for you to comprehend, since you have a different example in the US. But thats what civilisation means. We've moved beyond manifest destiny, even if you haven't
     
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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Who's nirakar when he's at home? A flash in the pan is what I recall of him.

    Arguable, legally, and particularly in the case of Israel/Palestine. Illustrate me the precedent in the region/Mandate/Ottoman Empire where this was so.

    Who is the "we" in "We've moved beyond manifest destiny, even if you haven't"? Are you speaking for the Ummind again?
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Those of us who believe in the right of a person to stay in his house without being ousted by some moronic colonial with visions of destiny.
     
  8. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    So which "We" does this encompass? Your multiple users, and their colostomy bags?

    What would you do, Sam, without simplification?
     
  9. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I would support basic human rights, abolish the occupation and acknowledge the right of return to Palestinians.

    Do you think Indian Jews who went to Palestine in 1948 should be permitted to return to India if they wish?
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    You would thereby have a civil war, as you full well know. You've already alluded to the fact that the destruction of the Jews there wouldn't really bother you - you said you'd "make the appropriate noises", as I recall.

    It's funny. Here I sit, arguing fairly and honestly with you, and this is what I get.
     
  11. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    There would only be a war with those who did not recognise these human rights. Since when is that a problem?
     
  12. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    So you would fight against Palestinian intolerance as well, then? Bold of you. Will you be taking on the mullahs for indigenous Christians in Iran also?
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Indigenous Christians? Isn't their home in the Vatican?
     
  14. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Then maybe they shouldn't have left.
     
  15. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Ironic, really.

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  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    That's some impressive ignorance. Christians can have no home except - what? Rome? Maybe Christians like being shoved back into tiny reservations in your world, too, Sam?
     
  17. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly.

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  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    I'm just using your own standards to judge your words.

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  19. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Right back at ya. :blbl:

    What do you think I did?
     
  20. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Too late. I did it first.
     
  21. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    /slaps forehead at complete irrationality of GeoffP

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  22. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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  23. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    That wall may turn into a tourist attraction yet.

    What with Banksy and the Face 2 Face project and now this.
     

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