Discussion in 'History' started by Laser Eyes, Oct 29, 2004.
no it doesn't.
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Congratulations, post 53 is resonable.
But in this post you ignore that modern scholarly historical consensus is that Abraham and Isaac are fictitious characters.
Oh yes, I forgot. Just like you forgot they said the same thing about King David. And Muslims think Moses was a Muslim and dumping a mosque in another peoples land and calling themselves Palestineans makes it sacred Islamic soil. Mostly you forgot to say why Abraham is a ficticious character and where he copied Monotheism from. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
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Unlike any evidence of Arabs before 500 BCE and that the Quran is not a lift off of the Hebrew and Christian scriptures, there is solid proof [not just evidence] how Jews landed in Europe. The Arabs were in the front rows destroying a mythical temple the Gospels says one Jesus visited. Maybe all the other Roman archives are also fakes - made by Jews! How come you are never monitored of all the jargon you post - is your favourite word TROLLING? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
probably because I deal with historical fact and arabs never destroyed a jewish temple in Jersulam
jews said they are God's chosen people which made almost everyone angry. it was wrong for Moses to give such idea.
only in india they were never harmed.
Also in China. About half a millennium ago, a large group migrated east and wound up in China. The Chinese saw that they bathed, taught their children to read and write, obeyed the laws, paid their taxes, and transacted business more-or-less fairly. Their attitude was, "Hey, you guys are just like us. Welcome to the Middle Kingdom."
They were accepted so graciously that within a few generations they had married into the host population and vanished as a demographic group. Many of their synagogues are still standing--although no longer used for religious rituals--and the occasional Chinese person with an aquiline nose is evidence of their contribution to the gene pool.
It is primarily the members of the newer Abrahamic religions (especially Christianity and Islam--I haven't heard of any Jews being mistreated by the Baha'i, Mormons or Rastafarians) who hate and persecute the Jews.
The stereotype is that they are annoying. I don't think it's proper to form judgements based on stereotypes. I haven't personally met all that many Jewish people. All that I have met were annoying however.
My Grandpa and my second wife were not annoying at all.
I'm sorry I never got the chance to meet them. I'm sure they are out there.
Grandpa died in 1965 in his early 80s. The former Mrs. Fraggle is in her early 70s, but I don't think I should give you her contact information. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
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The reason why jews were thrown out of so many countries, was there voodoo black art religious practises.
It says something, that so many countries threw them out, as we live in such an evil world.
Judaism, is just some darkside voodoo cult, that developed there skills under slavery to egyptians. It is just some voodoo cult. All suppressed peoples had some form of there own voodoo, judaism, is no different than many other darkside religions.
You should always view the bible, as old testament as road to darkside, and new testament as road to light. Catholic church is the worship of the sun, while judaism, is some dark voodoo cult.
By the way there voodoo cult is no more effective then any other voodoo cult. They do not run usa. Usa, and uk owners run israel.
andy, you're one disturbed puppy...
Even if you believe in the very worst of the semi-credible allegations against Israel, it still pales in comparison to what is happening or has happened before in virtually every single corner of the globe fit for human habitation. The general focus on Jews and magnification of whatever problems they might cause on a global or local scale is explained by a simple and time-tested colloquialism: success breeds envy. Additionally, bullies don't like it when the little guy refuses to go down.
that's not really the case. it really had nothing to do with success. most jews like most people throughout history didn't have the kind of success to breed that virulent hatred and envy. the simple answer is they were different. the Roma are almost universally despised but never had any sort of success that would engender it.. though the the level of arrogance presented in the mind set your saying could rub people the wrong way. your argument reads as people hate jews because their better than everyone else.
I didn't say anything about Jews being better than anyone, but today both in the West and from a worldwide perspective, they have higher than average education levels and corresponding incomes, and that does indeed breed immense jealousy. That's why you hear all these inbred KKK arguments about how Jews control all the banks so they can't get decent jobs, and Israel keeps spiking their whisky so they're never able to summon enough brain cells to learn how economics works or pick up other useful skills.
Yes, historically even the poor Jews got picked on, because they were culturally different from the majority, and this phenomenon still exists in modern times. But today, Western societies are filled with minorities from every nation on the planet of which the Jews are just one, and yet even secular, integrated Jews who haven't been to a synagogue in years find themselves targeted for their heritage, and it's because some of the less successful people out there need to find a convenient excuse for their own personal shortcomings.
Potentially an interesting topic.
It is often emphasized that there are different forms of antisemitism.
religious (Jew as Christ-killer),
economic (Jew as banker, usurer, money-obsessed),
social (Jew as social inferior, "pushy," vulgar, therefore excluded from personal contact),
racist (Jews as an inferior "race"),
ideological (Jews regarded as subversive or revolutionary),
cultural (Jews regarded as undermining the moral and structural fiber of civilization).
Growing up I had pretty much ~zero~ contact with Jewish families. However, there were times when I overheard discussions on jews and from my limited experience the primary forms I encountered (as in talk) were religious and economic and to a much lesser extent, ideological. As an example, my grandpa talked about a jewish shoe maker who always treated him well. Grandpa was poor. Anyways, the jewish shoe maker apparently charged different people different prices and he told my grandpa he would sell him the shoes at the same price he sold them to jews to help him out because he was poor and had kids that needed shoes. Now grandpa telling this story was meant in the most kind way possible, here was a jew who knew grandpa (non-jew) was poor and had kids to clothe and that cost break sooo appreciated. Others would take the story as See Jews treat us different. It was irrelevant in peoples minds that they (the listeners to grandpas story) also gave some people breaks on stuff they sold... nevermind that there was also the potential that the little jewish shoe maker was spinning a bit of a tale just to make grandpa think he was getting a deal...
But then, iirc there are torah laws which justify selling products to jews at a different rate than gentiles. Iirc, there are two sets of rules on money lending. So if you read the OT and grandpa is telling this story, I can see how you might feel slighted. Hell I feel slighted when people 55 or older get a break on their prescriptions. I aint rich. I know people who struggle to fill prescriptions for their kids because they aint rich. Why should someone whos well off get a break just because they are 55 or 62 or whatever...
After we moved out of the cities and onto the farm is when I encountered the religious issue. The christ killer. The jews dont believe christ is the savior/messiah. I dont see that argument as being much removed from Islam's argument (last prophet sent). But again this was a rural area with no jewish contact soooo kids were limited on what information they had to process. Passed down generation to generation. But then, I have no idea what its like to truly believe in hell and eternal damnation and having a kid potentially exposed to an idea that is very contrary to what I think is 'truth'. I guess the closest I could come is "what if my kid wanted to adhere to the saudi version of islamic law" because I absolutely reject their version of 'the law'. The things we will do to protect our children from perceived harm....
Finally, about 5 years ago I began working for a jewish couple. Its been an interesting and wonderful job that has developed into a real friendship.
And without personal experience that begs to differ, it (talk) does leave an impression, after all the words are potentially your only experience with that issue (no matter the issue). If your only experience with jews is what others say (potentially backed up with OT writings), you pass that meme along. Its all you know.
i didn't say you did. but that is how it could be perceived and the implication is there.
and the reason they are targeted is today is how their viewed as wielding power. the motivations between prejudice from yesteryear and today are very different. lets face it jews are intgrated into the power structure hell most the negative stereotypes of jews have always played into where they sit in the power structure. they are viewed as having influence that belies their population. and when jewish groups tend to take actions that reinforce these views you get. but the idea that people that people just don't like jews cause they view jews as being a success where their not just doesn't really play. your trying to view hate through a rational lens. you'll always fail at true understanding if you do. the negative human emotions hate, anger, fear are all very irrational. dealing with them isn't black and white. pay attention to the perceptions cause thats what really drives these things. sadly reality doesn't.
Not to mention antisemitic.
Considering all of the incredible evil perpetrated by Christian communities, it's difficult to understand why anyone would pick on the Jews. The Catholics, in particular, killed tens of millions--Jews, Muslims, and especially people of non-Abrahamic religions such as the inhabitants of the New World.
Because Judaism is not an evangelical religion, and therefore Jews don't put much effort into making converts (and in fact don't even really want them), they have not spent much of their time and energy trying to kill people who don't want to be Jewish.
Their current campaign against the Palestinians is a historical anomaly. I have already posted my own possible reason for this: when World War II ended, they were not given the resources or permission to kill all the Germans. So they have been taking out their revenge for the Holocaust on the Palestinians, the only people they actually have the ability to persecute.
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