Any atheists here who were once believers?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by wegs, Sep 18, 2013.

  1. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Why would one think the Bible was to be taken literally? It's a man written book. You take it literally only because someone told you to. That person was a man/woman. There is no more reason to take it literally than to not take it literally.
     
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  3. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    And of course, you must resort to insulting me. :/ I'm done with this discussion. Think as you wish.

    There is a lot that I don't know, it is you that can never admit such a thing.
     
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  5. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Well, there are many who believe it to be the literal "word of God."
     
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  7. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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  8. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Awesome! We all go to heaven! Wheeeee!

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    Thanks for posting this, Beer w/Straw...quite an interesting read. While I get what he's saying, didn't Jesus tell his followers to "love God with all their heart" and "love their neighbors as themselves?" (That those were his two most important commands?)

    Ah well, the Pope knows best. Just shows that the Catholic Church wants to be popular, even if that means undermining the faith. I'm all for olive branches, but this is why I find no value in what the Catholic Church states because it seems willing to "say anything" these days to gain secular acceptance.
     
  9. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    True, but hardly new to "these days" nor confined to the RCC. Check out this reformation timeline...
     
  10. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Telling you that you don't know what you're talking about isn't an insult, it's an observation. You only have yourself to blame for how others perceive you.
     
  11. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Hey Randwolf, thanks!

    I'm having trouble viewing it on my phone but I will check this out, later.

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  12. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    Here is what was being said:

    Pope: Don't strip for me little girl - I'm wed to God.
    Lady with camera: Leave her alone, you pedophile!
     
  13. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    lol
     
  14. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    This is a really neat website, thank you for posting the link here. There's a lot to review, and I like how the information is organized.

    Thought this was interesting, under 'trends':
    http://catholicfaith.co.uk/
     
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  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Hat's off to you for seeing through the shite psychology, and not feeling pressured to give up your mind.

    :bravo:

    jan.
     
  16. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Billy T. WTF!!!

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    jan.
     
  17. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Think he was meaning that: Jesus = God.
     
  18. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Thing is, there will be points we agree on and some we will disagree on. I can understand why some respect the Catholic Church's position on evolution. But, I don't respect its position. If some feel the need to take the discussion down a path of insults, so be it. We can't control people, only how we choose to respond to them, Jan.

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  19. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    You know, I found that by Googling "belief in god superego" trying to find an unconscious reasoning behind why people need to equate religion with morality. Thinking that they just don't understand or trust themselves, but fail to be able to put it into words. They're neurotic?

    http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/originals/8f/5c/63/8f5c6397a66131a1a025d5831b544ed0.jpg
     
  20. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    A Friday giggle for you all. I couldn't resist.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

    I’ll come back to your point, Beer w/Straw, when I have more time. Morality, and how it’s determined by different people, is worth a discussion, me thinks.
     
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    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/25/catholic-schools-fires-gay-teachers

    But, hey...the Catholic Church supports the theory of evolution.
     
  22. Balerion Banned Banned

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    Nobody insulted you. Stop making accusations you can't support just because your feelings are hurt.
     
  23. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I was raised in a religious household, and during my childhood, I lived in a predominately Jewish and Christian town. Morality was often seen as something defined by one’s religion. There wasn’t a lot of independent ‘thinking’ on the matter, looking back. And, if you look at morality as presented from a Biblical perspective, for example—putting aside the religious component—there is much to glean that is positive from it. The majority of the Ten Commandments, for example, seem suitable for anyone to follow, if we strip away the religious and/or spiritual aspects of them. To your point, Beer--when you've been 'indoctrinated' from a young age to following a particular religion, you tend to view the world through that lens, morally and otherwise. When you are old enough to use logic and reasoning, you may or may not adhere to the faith that your family of origin passed down to you. But, the question then becomes...can you ever forget where your sense of morality came from?

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    I have a few close friends who have been atheists all of their lives, however, and they lead what could be viewed as ‘moral’ lives. They tend to define morality as behaviors that support society in the best way possible, and that ‘’loving our neighbors as ourselves,’’ shouldn’t be viewed as strictly a Christian doctrine, but rather a common sense approach to life.

    So, just some general questions:

    Since atheists don’t believe in ‘a god,’ how do they determine what is objectively moral? Is the belief in a Deity, the only ‘model’ we have for objective morality, or can humanity decide for itself what is morally objective?

    Finally, is there a little bit of moral relativism in us all?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism
     

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