Any Words on Isha Yoga?

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by Eman Resu, Feb 1, 2003.

  1. Omniscientia Registered Member

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    It has been invented. It's called Bikram Yoga. It's a yoga that fries you from the inside.

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  3. lukemosse Registered Member

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    I know this is an old thread but people still read it.

    I have been following SJV for around 6 years, mostly via youtube, but I have also attended Shambhavi Maha Mudra initiation, and visited the ashram in Coimbatore.

    I would like to share some experiences/ observations about this topic.

    I have struggled with some issues with regards Isha, in particular when I visited the ashram, they have signs up to attract corporate donations, in return for 'blessings'. This bothered me, and I think it would bother lots of people who come from my culture, where this type of practice is similar to the 'pay me money and you'll go to heaven' thing the church used to do. I gave it a lot of thought, but eventually the confusion eroded my faith in Isha and I stopped practicing. There were other, deeper reasons that I stopped practicing, but this one was on my mind.

    Since then, I have decided that it doesn't matter. I have two main reasons for this - first of all, Isha spends so much money on charitable work, that I can only imagine SJVs attitude is, 'if these obscenely rich people want to spend their money, let them spend it here, and I'll put it to good use'. Which I respect to be honest. My school was bigger and more expensive than his whole ashram which is an interesting thing for me to remember. And the second reason is that he is so busy, and gives so much of his time, that if he was concerned with material wealth then that would make him a total idiot, because he hardly gets any chance to enjoy it. He's definitely not an idiot, so the only remaining option is that he's genuine about what he does.

    The other point I would like to make is about expectations and what people expect from the spiritual process in terms of logic. I think if you have decided to get involved in spirituality you can have one of two attitudes - either a), everything has to fit your present understanding of what is sensible/logical or b), spirituality as a subject is mysterious and it's a process that will change you, so if you're not prepared for change, don't do it.

    I think some people are dishonest with themselves about what they want - if you are saying," I want to go on a course and learn to be spiritual", but then at the same time, "I wasn't expecting this shit!!!" I think that's a bit naive. It's like saying I want to learn from a master, but ultimately they have to answer to what I think is best.

    I teach improvisation, which is an interesting parallel. Lots of what motivates a student to take up an instrument is actually misconceptions. If you correct those misconceptions from day 1, they probably won't continue. You have to appeal to a student's present state of mind to get them to their eventual goal, and their understanding of that goal will evolve. Along the way, their ideas and perceptions change. But if you go full on from day 1 they will give up. I would like to spread the joy of improvisation like SJV shares yoga. SJV gives a lot of himself. He goes out of his way to make it entertaining in the beginning. This takes a lot of energy. If you teach, you'd know that it's one thing just to teach the subject, but to be an entertainer too is even more draining. He does both. I am of the opinion he does this because he cares, not because he's trying to hoodwink people and trick them.

    It's good to be vigilant about people giving spiritual advice, but ultimately SJV focuses on making you actually do your practice. Every other spiritual group I've been to has been so relaxed and pithy and vague that there's no substance to the teaching because nobody is meditating. It's like a support group for a non-existent activity. SJV is very clear, do your practice. And I've found that the practice works. It hasn't led to what I necessarily expected, but I've had to come to realise that in doing these practices your playing with something bigger than yourself. If you don't want to do that, if you want to call the shots and think everything should be how you want/ expect, then I don't think you should get involved with spirituality in a genuine way.
     
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  5. kwhilborn Banned Banned

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    Good post Lukemose,

    As with any lecture or teaching situation, there are self proclaimed "experts" who are more concerned with their Ferrari payments than they are with teaching. You seem aware that many groups aside from your own discuss meditation without meditating, and are "pithy", and "vague".

    I think everyone realizes that meditation is a great form of relaxation and some of us even believe it could aid in healing and more. There will always be good practitioners and bad practitioners.

    Be wary. I would not spend the kind of money mentioned in the OP unless I was already fairly adept at what I could learn myself through youtube, unless I was a One percenter that had money to burn which might be the target groups.
     
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  7. dhyana Registered Senior Member

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    Jaggi / sadhguru still hasn't responded to the charge of killing his wife, Viji. The charge continues outstanding and unresolved. The charge was filed by Viji's father, sadguru's father in law. And Jaggi / sadhguru is still carrying on with his girl friend, the one he killed his wife for. Jaggi got away with murder- literally. Isha yoga is nothing but a spiritual circus and you'll lose a lot money if you get involved in this cult.
     
  8. BIGFOOT Registered Senior Member

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    Hah!!
     
  9. michaeljack2 Registered Member

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    Sadhguru tests many biological, psychotronic, electronic-torture, trauma-techniques - including having partnerships with Governmental agenices which supply him with mind-control hardware and equipment and he tests this equipment for them.

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    There are nanotechnology memetic fibers that are sprayed in the air when you are in his temples. There are psychotronic tones playing from advanced vacuum-tube amplifiers which stimulate electronically the orgasmic state in the individual. Testing shows that electronically stimulating the orgasmic state in combination with sight, sounds, and words -- is able to turn someone of ANY AGE into a perfectly undetectable mind-control slave. (i.e. the person will believe that you are God and they will do anything you want them to do).

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    It is possible for Sadhguru to sit you in a chair and attach electrodes to you and torture you with Electronic Tones. He has done this to only 2 people so far. These people will be highly traumatized since the tones he would have generated would have generated involuntary convulsive actions during which he would try to program them with his words. Eventually - the mind will become so tortured - that the person's own Body (which is controlled by their CNS, which is controlled by their mind, which is controlled by their being) -- the person's mind will refuse to stop following the will of the Being - and will instead start following the will of the being who control's the ability to be able to put it into electronic Torture and Electronic Orgasm.

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    DNA forms telepathic wormholes that look like grey cords on an astral level. The mind (which is encoded in the DNA) is able to telepathically form a wormhole to Sadhguru and then receive commands from Sadhguru on a purely Telepathic basis only. Shunya acts as a maintenance function in order to keep the system flowing with energy every day. Telepathic monitors are placed into every single person who does Shunya. If you do not do the 15-minute Shunya collapsing-doll meditation - then Sadhguru detects this and tries to figure a way to make you mind-controlled again. He can easily know in his mind whether you are still doing Shunya or not (but we can fake this).

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    There is no Moksha. There is no shortcut. Sadhguru ropes in gullible individuals who believe in some idea of escape.

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    MK Ultra programming is quite intense. There are several mechanisms set up in place to defend the programming. If someone tries to describe the programming to the individual - that individual is programmed to become violent in order to try to prevent being explained their own condition. Luckily - you faked the entire meditation experience in front of Sadhguru. You're mind is no longer split - there was a slight split in your mind but it has been mended. The other people will not be so lucky since they actually did get their mind fractured (so the mind would start following Sadhguru being and not the being previously in control of the body). Your body is in your control. The bodies which are in control of Sadhguru will likely all develop Scizophrenia since they will all become violent when trying to run "Defense Programs" that Sadhguru programmed in in-order to make sure he never gets caught. These defense programs can take the form of the subjects declaring Suicide in order to prevent themselves from having to remember their memories of being electronically tortured, raped, and having Lingas inserted into their Vagina's while under electronic stimulation, chemical aerosolized stimulation, and hypnotic control.
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    Convulsive loss of the Central Nervous System, Irritability, Depression, Suicidal tendencies - these will first manifest in the Isha Victim. Finally, the person will become violent towards people who start to try to question it in an attempt to try to avoid having to re-live (re-remember) the pain and having to re-live the exact details of the traumatic event of being betrayed by a fake God or having had been stupid enough to believe that this man is God.

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    The degree of Central Nervous System damage is in relation to how much you "open yourself up" to God. Since Sadhguru is hypnotized to make you believe that he is God - therefore the subject hands over their Central Nervous System to a telepathic command response system controlled by Sadhguru. Converting the body's actions and macro muscle movements (i.e. move right hand up) - the Body is converted into a robotic Slave.

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    The Central Nervous System can be seen as a living organism with a "Being". I.e. - it has "feelings" if you would so call them that - it has "states". It is possible for the Central Nervous System to be tortured into following a Being different than that was originally assigned to it. Your right as a being is to control and master the Central Nervous System of your body - however, even that can be taken away from you - and you can be left living inside of a chamber of whirling energy inside of your mind.

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    Sadhguru was working with the CIA to test experimental mind-control torture-based technology for them.

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  10. truthnlight Registered Member

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    It seems Mr Jagadish Vasudev aka Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev aka Jaggi has been accused by his own father in law of killing his daughter (Sadhguru jaggi's wife) Vijji aka Mrs Vijaya kumari either by strangulation or by poisoning, in 1997. Mrs Vijaya Kumari was 31 years old then with a 6 year old daughter . Jaggi has escaped saying that she went into mahasamadhi. (Now, which court accepts mahasamadhi and acquits a murderer?).

    Mr. Jagadish cremated the body of his wife on the next day itself, hence no autopsy could be performed. Before marrying Jagadish vasudev, Vijaya kumari was working in a bank and was previously married to someone else. After her death, another woman who was involved with them (in the tri-vortex of energy needed to consecrate the so -called dhyanalinga), a certain Mrs. Bharathi divorced her husband and came to live with Mr. Jagadish vasudev.

    Mr. Jagadish vasudev has a daughter named Radhe, who is a dancer and she is married to a classical singer and is living a normal, luxurious life in Chennai and the USA, whereas most young women and men in the ashram live as unpaid slave labour, just on 2 meals a day and 3 sets of clothes and hard work to produce products and money for his so called Isha foundation, which many say is just an excuse to get tax exempt status in India and the USA for all ashram activities and businesses. Isha foundation doesnt seem to work much as it is advertised.

    Mr Jagadish Vasudev once said that children who go to govt. schools are walking 4 km per day and giving the bus charges (7rs/ day) to the ashram and that they are very commendable.
    Also, while he asks people to live frugally, and donate to the ashram, he and his daughter, and Bharathi etc live very luxuriously and Jaggi has bought himself a landrover, a landcruiser and a hummer apart from other things. He advises people not to drink coffee, but he himself drinks folgers coffee and is seen at starbucks. His family members (daughter, son in law etc ) go to movies, malls, foreign vacations, and drink coffee and hang out with friends along with their latest i-phones as normal people do. It seems that Mr. Jgadish vasudev is keeping them in "miserable" luxuries while the ashramites are enjoying sublime "spiritual" bliss in bare frugality.

    He has once said that 3 things should never be commercialized...education, health care and spirituality. He is commercializing all the three as - a) isha home school charges around 6 lakh per annum, b) isha arogya (medicine) products are sold through isha stores and c) inner engineering and all other programs (spirituality) are also being sold to the masses.

    He is good with words, but he himself never practices what he speaks. Some people who want to come out of the ashram are threatened from leaving saying that their spiritual progress will be stopped and that they will also affect the lives of many people around them...or something like that. Anyways most of them are in a kind of hypnotic delusional state where they worship their master since he is offering them something intangible like enlightenment, and they believe all the lies he continuously says and defend him and the organization to the best of their abilities.

    You can read more on sadhguru jaggi vasudev aka sjv on guruphiliac forums written by ex ishaites. They say that few people were found dead at both his ashrams in India and the US.
     
  11. krkrkr Registered Member

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    isha is a cult using black magic and hypnosis
    The Catholic Church has formed lots of charitable organizations, and we can point to all of their good works too. By the same isha logic put forth by dianedebaun we should understand that the priests didn't really rape the little boys and abuse their power and position within the church and community. We should understand that priests weren't intentionally, systematically, methodically and with cold calculation protected from their heinous crimes against the most innocent of victims. Just because the Catholic Church has created charities we must conclude they are incapable of committing these horrific acts and drop the whole matter.

    This latest feeble attempt to protect vasudev and absolve him from his cold, calculating, predatory, abusive, selfish, socio-pathic life is in direct contradiction to his teaching of absolute responsiblity and absoulute acceptance for everything in one's life. It's also a continued attempt to deny the uncomfortable dark spaces in isha that are so horrific the devotees are incapable of looking at them. They can not, even for a moment, consider shining a light in the dark spaces of isha becase they are afraid of what they will find. It's a common human phenomenon that the mind clings to what it's invested in. isha people have spent a lot of time and money in isha and they are simply unable to acknowledge they've been sold a lie, even when the leader tells them bluntly that he lies whenever it's necessary. They twist that statement into some spiritual teaching but he's actually telling them he's a liar. For the devotees to acknowledge that it's all a lie is to admit they've wasted their time - and money - and that's just too much for the mind to bear. You see, as isha devotees rightly say, the mind creates all kinds of illusions to comfort itself and the illusion they are involved with some spiritual process and some greater than man guru is just a trick of their mind to keep them from doing their real spiritual work.

    In the same way that it's riduculous to condone the Catholic Church for their gross and egregious abuse of power and people because they've established some charities it's also absurd to condone vasudev's equally abusive and criminal behaviour as previously described on this site.
     
  12. krkrkr Registered Member

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    isha cult black magic
    The Catholic Church has formed lots of charitable organizations, and we can point to all of their good works too. By the same isha logic put forth by dianedebaun we should understand that the priests didn't really rape the little boys and abuse their power and position within the church and community. We should understand that priests weren't intentionally, systematically, methodically and with cold calculation protected from their heinous crimes against the most innocent of victims. Just because the Catholic Church has created charities we must conclude they are incapable of committing these horrific acts and drop the whole matter.

    This latest feeble attempt to protect vasudev and absolve him from his cold, calculating, predatory, abusive, selfish, socio-pathic life is in direct contradiction to his teaching of absolute responsiblity and absoulute acceptance for everything in one's life. It's also a continued attempt to deny the uncomfortable dark spaces in isha that are so horrific the devotees are incapable of looking at them. They can not, even for a moment, consider shining a light in the dark spaces of isha becase they are afraid of what they will find. It's a common human phenomenon that the mind clings to what it's invested in. isha people have spent a lot of time and money in isha and they are simply unable to acknowledge they've been sold a lie, even when the leader tells them bluntly that he lies whenever it's necessary. They twist that statement into some spiritual teaching but he's actually telling them he's a liar. For the devotees to acknowledge that it's all a lie is to admit they've wasted their time - and money - and that's just too much for the mind to bear. You see, as isha devotees rightly say, the mind creates all kinds of illusions to comfort itself and the illusion they are involved with some spiritual process and some greater than man guru is just a trick of their mind to keep them from doing their real spiritual work.

    In the same way that it's riduculous to condone the Catholic Church for their gross and egregious abuse of power and people because they've established some charities it's also absurd to condone vasudev's equally abusive and criminal behaviour as previously described on this site.
     
  13. krkrkr Registered Member

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    Jaggi is using his wife's soul to get things done. While talking on this subject he said there are more ghosts involved and Jaggi controls them. In India, this kind of occult has a long history. It looks like spirituality but it's not. Street magicians('modi mastans') used this to earn a few bucks while their powers seemed amazing. They used these controlled entities to bring/move stuff. Jaggi is one such person who speaks English and makes millions. He uses them to control the crowd and give some of people twitching and shaking. Claps, hissing sound, sharp clicking sounds act as invocation cues for them. My friend also said once you enter Isha ashram you are under a certain control. Residents are made to forget unwanted incidents. Once you enter you won't remember everything. I asked him why do they forget and he replied that if they had remembered everything they would go to the police.
    Today's chat shed new light on this subject. I always wondered about his raw arrogance and confidence. He may be getting it from the pride of controlling souls. Jaggi talking about life energy, death, ghosts , dissolving them, and were seen by people (Mystic's Musings) gets new context. You may or may not believe this. But this kind of world exists and I have seen enough proof. Just get out of Isha.
    This is the black magic I have been talking about for three and a half years and namath is his main witch. They also use animal spirits do some of their dirty work. Some spirits are very powerful in this vibration. I recently got rid of a poltergeist at an apartment that I manage before I could rent it out, he was strong enough to carry a quart of paint and take a wet spoung and write his initials on the wall with dirty water besides scratching them in the wall which he also did. All the dirt is coming out on jaggi.
    "I wish to share with you some of my personal experiences with Isha . I practised the SMM for forty days twice a day continuously without break but got no tangible benefit out of it. I don't attribute this to the lack of efficacy of the SMM however. In general I lack discipline and did not really sustain the practice, thus cannot really put the lack of any tangible benefits on the SMM entirely.
    Having said that, I found the attitude of some of the swamis towards the questions of the meditators to be bordering on the bizarre. For instance during a satsang a lady meditator told the swami that she was feeling chilled and cold during the SMM, and the swami replied that this was happening because she had not done the twelve year long cleansing kriyas thus her body was having trouble adjusting to the "high energy level" that the SMM was generating. An answer of this kind did not go down too well with me.”

    My Suspicion is, that the way SJV is propagating the Kriya so much He is surviving by using other people's life energies and the more people do the Shambhavi Mahamudra the More He Feels Energetic to Run His Business. He is indirectly manipulating people by making them co-dependent on the Kriya, The Monthly Brain Wash Satsangs and Volunteering to Suck People's Energies For his Own Survival. Velliangiri is very correct in saying that The Swami's & Maa's are being used only for their 20 hrs work they put in for Isha for the Expansion of SJV's Empire. Their Lives have been truly destroyed by Jaggi with His False Stories which they believe at face value.
    I attended two of Jaggi Vasudev's courses. Shambhavi in Atlanta and BSP in Tennessee last year. I have to give the guy credit for his abilities but will call him out where he needs to be called out.


    After much observation, here is what I found.


    The man has magnetism, certain mysterious psychic abilities that is out of this world (I can testify to it), considerable knowledge of ancient works and is a well oiled machine when it comes to language and communication.


    He is who I would describe as a successful Tantric. He has all the necessary tools at his disposal. And he is selling his gifts at a price.


    He is an expert at mind control and he keeps the volunteers completely under his charm.


    He has mastered the art of bringing the crowd under his spell through music, colors, chanting, hand gestures, facial expressions, stage management techniques, hypnotic suggestions, dances, lights and what not. The volunteers are well trained by a set of inner core senior deciples to perform so well to the beat so much so that it all looks amazingly smooth and perfect.


    His volunteers are extremely loyal and see him as the last best hope in this life filled with incredible misery and stupidity. They are urged to spread the word and they believe they are doing the rest of the world a favor by doing so.
     
  14. krkrkr Registered Member

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    Jaggi is using his wife's soul to get things done. While talking on this subject he said there are more ghosts involved and Jaggi controls them. In India, this kind of occult has a long history. It looks like spirituality but it's not. Street magicians('modi mastans') used this to earn a few bucks while their powers seemed amazing. They used these controlled entities to bring/move stuff. Jaggi is one such person who speaks English and makes millions. He uses them to control the crowd and give some of people twitching and shaking. Claps, hissing sound, sharp clicking sounds act as invocation cues for them. My friend also said once you enter Isha ashram you are under a certain control. Residents are made to forget unwanted incidents. Once you enter you won't remember everything. I asked him why do they forget and he replied that if they had remembered everything they would go to the police.
    Today's chat shed new light on this subject. I always wondered about his raw arrogance and confidence. He may be getting it from the pride of controlling souls. Jaggi talking about life energy, death, ghosts , dissolving them, and were seen by people (Mystic's Musings) gets new context. You may or may not believe this. But this kind of world exists and I have seen enough proof. Just get out of Isha.
    This is the black magic I have been talking about for three and a half years and namath is his main witch. They also use animal spirits do some of their dirty work. Some spirits are very powerful in this vibration. I recently got rid of a poltergeist at an apartment that I manage before I could rent it out, he was strong enough to carry a quart of paint and take a wet spoung and write his initials on the wall with dirty water besides scratching them in the wall which he also did. All the dirt is coming out on jaggi.
    "I wish to share with you some of my personal experiences with Isha . I practised the SMM for forty days twice a day continuously without break but got no tangible benefit out of it. I don't attribute this to the lack of efficacy of the SMM however. In general I lack discipline and did not really sustain the practice, thus cannot really put the lack of any tangible benefits on the SMM entirely.
    Having said that, I found the attitude of some of the swamis towards the questions of the meditators to be bordering on the bizarre. For instance during a satsang a lady meditator told the swami that she was feeling chilled and cold during the SMM, and the swami replied that this was happening because she had not done the twelve year long cleansing kriyas thus her body was having trouble adjusting to the "high energy level" that the SMM was generating. An answer of this kind did not go down too well with me.”

    My Suspicion is, that the way SJV is propagating the Kriya so much He is surviving by using other people's life energies and the more people do the Shambhavi Mahamudra the More He Feels Energetic to Run His Business. He is indirectly manipulating people by making them co-dependent on the Kriya, The Monthly Brain Wash Satsangs and Volunteering to Suck People's Energies For his Own Survival. Velliangiri is very correct in saying that The Swami's & Maa's are being used only for their 20 hrs work they put in for Isha for the Expansion of SJV's Empire. Their Lives have been truly destroyed by Jaggi with His False Stories which they believe at face value.
    I attended two of Jaggi Vasudev's courses. Shambhavi in Atlanta and BSP in Tennessee last year. I have to give the guy credit for his abilities but will call him out where he needs to be called out.


    After much observation, here is what I found.


    The man has magnetism, certain mysterious psychic abilities that is out of this world (I can testify to it), considerable knowledge of ancient works and is a well oiled machine when it comes to language and communication.


    He is who I would describe as a successful Tantric. He has all the necessary tools at his disposal. And he is selling his gifts at a price.


    He is an expert at mind control and he keeps the volunteers completely under his charm.


    He has mastered the art of bringing the crowd under his spell through music, colors, chanting, hand gestures, facial expressions, stage management techniques, hypnotic suggestions, dances, lights and what not. The volunteers are well trained by a set of inner core senior deciples to perform so well to the beat so much so that it all looks amazingly smooth and perfect.


    His volunteers are extremely loyal and see him as the last best hope in this life filled with incredible misery and stupidity. They are urged to spread the word and they believe they are doing the rest of the world a favor by doing so.
     
  15. Bow to Jesus Yogi Registered Member

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    I advise you attend it and decide yourself.


    The way humanity works is always like this for some people for some reasons:

    - Isha has planted more than 70 million trees ( every tree is accounted and managed) and also created a guiness record of planting max trees in a year. but for people they still have problem with cut of initial 10 trees to establish ashram ( after acquiring permission) in forest area. I would stay they have made the best use of the place by hghly scared harmonious place .( which I would like to go often than any other place in earth).

    -They are conducting paid programs in cities & towns and for free in villages. The money is utilised for lot of good causes. But still intellectual people have problem with this that they r looting money. Why don't you see that it is entirely run by volunteers and they just come with the intent that other people also have to benefit from way of life they enjoyed due to Isha?

    - It’s quite natural to have resistive feeling to anything that happens in a mass way.( even if anything is the best to humanity ,atleast 10% of mass will resist and develop neagative feelings toward it- looks like way of nature) It seems like there are five/six people who have developed a sense of hatred deep into their heart which makes them post and tell all the same negative things in all blogs and forums ( you can see the same name). May they know the sweetness of life out of love!.
     
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