Can you quote me on that? I accept that they are supernatural to the perception of most people. But would like you to tell me what about their actions are supernatural, and why? I don't know if they can fly, but if they can, what is supernatural about that? The first thing to get out the way is that they aren't human. If they can fly, then they have a physical means. Comparing them to humans does nothing to advance the discussion. Quote where I made that claim. What is it about the term supernatural that makes not subject to natural law? attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature. of,relating to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal. (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially: of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature The supernatural (Medieval Latin: supernātūrālis: supra "above" + naturalis "natural", first used: 1520–1530 AD) includes all that cannot be explained by science or the laws of nature, including things characteristic of or relating to ghosts, gods, or other supernatural beings, or to things beyond nature. The adjective form of supernatural describes anything that pertains to or is caused by something that can't be explained by the laws of nature. not existing in nature or subject to explanation according to natural laws; not physical or material. Please correct me if I am mistaken. Every one ôf these definitions are in relation either to the reaches of science or human limitation. Why would you think those limitations account for the whole of material nature? Because they are made/created. I don't know. http://www.sciforums.com/threads/are-angels-natural-or-supernatural.158581/#post-3427553 jan.