Is it wrong to have sex for fun, knowing it might possibly lead to an abortion?

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  1. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    I guess I am clueless! The analogy fails for me!
     
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  3. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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  5. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    But you don't really believe that, your patriarchal religion tells you a grown woman's life is worthless compared to a baby.

    Hope!
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    OK.

    You want women to give of their bodies to a fetus, because if they don't, the fetus will die - and that's not OK. What she does with her body is not up to her in this situation.

    You may not be willing to give of your body to a child, even though if you don't, the child will die - and that's OK, because what you do with your body should be your decision.

    There's a disconnect there at a moral level. At a personal level, it's easy to understand - you don't want your rights over what is done with your body taken away. Once you understand that women want the same rights as you, you may understand their positions a little better.
     
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  8. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    What evidence? You have given zero evidence, even if I agree that the Shroud of Turin is real. I believe Jesus existed! I don't think he did anything miraculous because there is no evidence.
     
  9. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, no way!!! Women are such a great blessing, God’s most beautiful and possibly greatest creation ever. I adore women!!!
     
  10. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    You might be smarter than me spider.

    And so I am sure you can figure out how the negative image with 3d embedded information came to be on the Shroud in the first century.

    How do you explain the image on the Shroud?

    There may never be any evidence, if you have decided that evidence does not exist in the first place.

    Not really a very logical approach to anything else in life, as far as I can see.

    You can’t even prove that I exist! I might just be a crazy dream you are having.

    I have to go away for now... Later! Best Regards!

    You know the thing I love about you the most is that you have a moral objection to God. That speaks very, very well of you, at least to me personally. I really understand and get that!!!

    You Rock!!!
     
  11. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Um...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_domestic_violence

    So, the whole God thing can really be a turnoff...
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Glad you are rejecting the texts of your religion on that point.
     
  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Some years ago the pope made some sort of pronouncement about contraception

    The punch line of the joke was

    "He don't play the game he don't make the rules"

    If the reproduction system was such that a physic link put men through trials and tribulations of all the aspects of pregnancy the human race would die out

    Only one child per couple is not enough for population growth

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  14. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Same way you do, it's blood.
    Descent into solipsism. Fake humility. You aren't very good at this.
    You don't know. You just think it sounded good to say you have evidence. You watched a Christian movie about it, but can't explain what they said. Get back to me if you find out.
     
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    2 children per couple is still population decline because of death rates.

    but not to be confused with over population in places like china & india
    conversely japan is suffering from a lack of creative market adaptation to cater for a declining number of babyboomers.
    the boom n bust mentality doesn't fit with a finite range of resources.

    Singapore suffers from a lack of land space to raise healthy children in and so they have a declining population.

    the vast majority of new parents do not wish to raise their children in the middle of a concrete jungle.

    meanwhile boom n bust ideologists pushing their agenda want to evade the truth in the subject because 99% of all new parents require socialist base(mixed market economy) government systems and money to survive.
    this doesn't sit well with the alt-right who create fake morality and lies to then help sell the religious conservative song book around anti gay anti sex anti choice anti women's health care.
     
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  16. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    We talked earlier about how Atheism produces hopelessness and despair in the hearts of us earlier.

    Will Provine was a naturalistic, evolutionist, determinist, and he rejected the idea that humans exercise free will. Provine believed that there is no evidence for the existence of God, no life after death, no absolute foundation for moral right and wrong, and no ultimate meaning or purpose for life.

    Atheism/Naturalism has no hope and leads to unrelenting despair.

    In it, you are a predestined biological, mechanistic, robot, without any ability to choose anything now or ever, absolving you of all responsibility for your actions. None of your thoughts are from you, because you as a freewill being do not exist. You are only deterministic atoms bumping into each other. Only a series of chemical reactions.

    Your future is death, in the same way that your computer dies when enough of its parts fail.

    You are merely a biologic computer made of cells instead of plastic and metal, both made up of atoms. Only different in material and designed construction. You are Artificiall Intelligence.

    Of course, you know all this already. You were predestined by the universe since the beginning to know it.

    You don’t have a choice, you have to be an Atheist.

    Why would anyone spread this virus of the mind?
    To make everyone else feel hopeless, to make everyone else despair of life, even commit suicide along with you?
     
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  17. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Don’t even tell me that you cannot figure the answer out yourself, you are certainly not stupid.

    Partially correct, in that part of the image is made from real blood and is still red from the trauma of dying in such a brutal fashion.

    But where did the negative of the body, the rest of the image, come from in the first century. We cannot even produce the same image with the tech we have today.

    If you really want to understand it you would have to study it for yourself.

    But I do understand that you are only a biochemical robot, and may not be programmed for such an endeavor by the Universe. So?
     
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  18. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I prefer to be labeled agnostic BTW...

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/agnostic

    Or, in other words: I just don't know. So, like, discerning the differences in atheists, theists and agnostics, I think agnostics seem the least likely to go on lying to themselves. But that's a lot of semantics...
     
  19. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    You refuse to defend yourself, but you want me to defend atheism from your stupid straw man?

    No.

    Answer my questions, and if you tell me again to figure it out myself, we are done.
     
  20. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Wait, I don't know why I don't know, hence, I may actually know, but don't know why I may know, so I may actually know without even knowing that I know?

    Dang I may be smart and never knew it! Or, would be easier to know that I'm dumb:

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_thyself

    Or, even just leave that decision up to how I get out of bed each day???
     
  21. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Mod Hat — Unacceptable

    Pseudoscience is not appropriate for EM&J.

    If that was the case, you would not need to be so deliberately deceptive.

    In the future, consider before posting the ethical conundrum you create by unethically calculating an ethical proposition. If the science is so important, then you should not need to sleight the topic question as you have.
     
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  22. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, until next time...
     
  23. SetiAlpha6 Come Let Us Reason Together Valued Senior Member

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    If you know that you don’t know anything, then you claim to know that. Which means that you are not agnostic on that one point at least.

    But I don’t really know for sure, so I guess I am agnostic on that point, while you may not be.

    Wait, what I said might be just crazy talk!!!
     
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