Are the laws of physics based on magic?

You don't know where the big bang came from. I am simply positing a hypothesis that makes the soul compatible with nature. Occam's razor doesn't apply because we're not asking for a researc grant.

Don't get into insults with me. You have no idea how hard I work at my job.

Forget the Turing test. When you can makea machine that acts like C3PO, I'll be impressed.

 

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If that were the case, then computers would have consciousness. Computers could make decisions on their own, but they can't.

 

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Notice how the childish mind tosses out an irrelevant remark in some vain attempt to make the other party appear to have a lack of credibility.

So, you positing a hypothesis to show how something that has never been shown to exist is compatible with nature, even though it has never been shown to exist in nature. Hilarious.

 

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One could argue that we can't make decisions on our own either, unless we are programmed by our culture. Nevertheless, computers aren't yet self-aware. But they can make decisions.

 

Spidergoat, I am amazed that the simplest things are overlooked by academics. What about the simplest human drives for money, sex and power? If there is anything that might prevent free will, it is these basic 3 drives.

 

What is the simplest animal with consciousness?

 

One could argue anything but that would be a silly argument...not being able to make a decision without our culture.

Do you need "our culture" to help you make a decision to eat or to sleep? We know our culture might influence what we like to eat and when we typically have our meals but it's certainly not required for making the decision itself.

 

Really , hilarious , a nieve perspective

Biological life is a form of energy as ligitimate and real as in-organic energy is

 

That's a good question. My answer would be ... Q.

The truth is, I don't know how you would measure consciousness.

 

Time effects material objects. Is IT material too?

 

Why sure MR! I have a gram of time right here! Har har har!!! I'm just kidding, but your point is solid and indisputable.

 

MR, were you trying to say that "Time (affects) material objects"?
Really doesn't matter, because time is not material. The passage of time does allow for material things to have an effect on other material things - but is not, in and of itself the affecting agent.
For instance, oxidation - it does take time for oxidation to occur, as in the rusting of iron - but it is still the oxidation producing the affect, not time.

Mazulu, MR's point was not solid, nor indisputable. It would seem that your choice of acolytes is right on par with your inane ability to "...only pick fights that you can win..."!

Mazulu...you preach...

Mazulu...you fail...

Mazulu...you repeat...

 

So I can't keep up, huh? I'm just not buying what you atheists are selling. I am happy to be a lazy dumb atheist, because I don't think it's anything worth learning. Spiritual happiness is a form of wealth unto itself. Atheist dogma has too little value to me. We are told to "have faith" that science will figure out how to create consciousness, but atheists will play a trick on humanity. Atheists will devalue consciousness, cheapen it, until one of their cheap copies is identical to it.

Atheist play a similar trick on humanity with regard to the big bang and creation of the universe. After all (sarcastic tone) a computer model is the same as the real think, right? Wrong. When you atheists can create a real universe from nothing, then you can expunge God. In the meantime, all you can do is brainwash weak minds.

 

By the way, some parts of reality are still non material, non-physical. No matter how much brain washing or bullying you apply, you cannot change that fact.

 

Given some of these hokey scientific theories like time travel, many worlds and a lattice of identical universes (Michio Kaku), I believe there are Jerry Springer shows with audience members who have better ideas about reality than the scientific community does.

(sarcastic tone) Hey maybe the universe is a holograph! Ya know, like a movie projected onto a movie screen? (sarcasm off) But that idea doesn't go anywhere either because causality is all happening on the screen, not the source of the projection.

This cat should be a cosmologist.

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Name one thing that isn't material.

 

Time, wave-functions, physics constants, gravity, space-time continuum, dark matter...

 

No, materials change, and we call that time. Without the material, there is no time.

 

Wave functions are qualities of material objects at a quantum level. Physical constants are descriptions of how materials act, they are abstractions.