Are we made in God's image?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Apr 23, 2020.

  1. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    In these discussions that is what we do so to be polite let's me say that I am sorry and thank you for a wonderful reply.

    Nice but again I choose to miss the point.

    Why?

    I didn't realise there was a problem other than we all tend to generalise.

    OK ...should I start specific threads one for each version of god mythology?

    Select something specific and then go on and generalise ...I get it now.

    Understanding religions of course is so much to do with the economy of the inventors... but we know that... although a generalisation, to look at how a group of humans put food on the table often will lend understanding as to why their god was invented and so often that god specifically tailored to fit their enterprise.

    But you must know all that.

    Well no I have not noticed that but then our discussion here covers only the invention of Jan and he is not at all specific but at least he works with one god.

    If there was a point I missed it.

    I will frame this paragraph so if asked for the meaning of verbosity I can reach up take down your words hand them to my enquirer and say this is perhaps the best example I can offer.

    Now you get it and I know you are right.

    Sure but they are wrong so please focus.

    Well here is the thing and let us remember this is all about Jan...to think there is a discussion available in a climate of lies and dishonesty would be a grave mistake and so for my position I would think that I have made it very clear that any engagement I do not take seriously and merely play with a troll who is intent upon avoiding discussion and here for no other reason than to frustrate and anyoy anyone who would offer a reality that Jan wishes would just go away.

    And I don't have to go out of my way nor does anyone else to find Jan is confronting science in a dishonest manner and holding onto ingnorance as it were a virtue above all others.

    Merely to state the obvious fact.

    OK I make a claim and I should give evidence in support but you know it's one of those things that is just part of the game, that although not a rule is a fundamental that has been present for so long no one stops to give it a second thought..in a traffic matter the prosecution refers to the offence taking place upon a public road and although available no one calls upon the prosecutor to prove that the road was indeed a public road...it is more appropriate if a defendant wishes to claim that the offence was not on a public road that he prove such...Is it not reasonable to say that, using the loose term, theists, do not employ objectivity.

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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    I see your point but I doubt that me being your version of a bigot requires that you stand up to offer some explanation. Moreover I reject the label of bigot when most all of what I do is basically call for evidence, seek the truth that Jan claims he knows, call him out for lieing, call him out for trolling, call him out for unwarranted rejection of science, call him out for evasive conduct where he demonstrates all he seeks to do is be a smart arse.

    And you say you wonder why Jan becomes the focus when people should not care and I agree totally...all you offer in critism has some validity but it is not that complex... Jan is a lieing troll with an agenda ..I am an old man who finds fun in telling Jan he is a lieing troll.
    It is that simple.

    True.

    I assure you I am capable of deeper thought and I know where you are coming from, I think I do at least, ....
    Thank you for your post and I apologise for a somewhat casual engagement and I know that I should afford these " theists" much more respect if for the only reason to rise above them, but I choose not to in so far as specifically it is Jan that annoys me and certainly his general dishonesty ..he is the troll I am there to bite..maybe I will just ignore him...that would be smart.

    Thanks again.

    Alex
     
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  5. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I believe Alex and I touched on this subject once before. My belief is that God is All Things. You share in that reality being a conscious being. Need more be said?
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Do you worship it and why?
     
  8. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Depends how you define worship. Recognition of it in all things is a start. If I bow to you with the greeting of "Namaste," I am bowing to the Divine in you. If I raise my bowl of oatmeal in appreciation, it is done so in recognition of my gratitude.
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I can understand bowing to another person in recognition of their extra-ordinary status in the biology of the earth. We each are a little god, controlling our own expanded role in the universe. Our laws are based on equal rights for all "persons" , and animals to a lesser degree as being deserving of respect as being survivors of "natural selection" and "evolution".

    But nowhere does it say anything about worshiping the universe. You can appreciate the universe, you can learn from universal values and functions and it's enormous. Does the Universe require worship? Naa. Respect? Yess. The Universe is not a "person", t is a mathematical construct.

    I like the "celebration" aspect, but "worship". Bowing multiple times a day, having your laws shaped by enforcement of "worship" of an abstract idea?

    Personally I am more humble about my existence than comparing myself with the Universe in some non-trivial way. I don't worship the universe, I respect it for it's dynamic power.

    The universe does not require our worship, we do!........

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  10. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I don't believe worship is required but recognition of your source would be kind. Recognition that you are an inseparable part of the greater whole should give you comfort.
     
  11. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Everything is God again. What is not God?
    Some bloke (God) on a web forum (God) says I (God) should gives thanks for being part of the Universe (God).
     
  12. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I will share an excerpt from one of my websites...

    Every Breath You Take

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    Every morning when you open your eyes from slumber, that is Love

    Every moment spent getting dressed is Love

    Every bite of breakfast is Love

    Every sip of coffee is Love

    Every word with those at the table is Love

    Every goodbye as you walk out the door is Love

    Every light, every turn, every mile as you drive to work is Love

    Every face you see is Love

    Every conversation is Love

    Every task is an act of Love



    Every sky is, whether bright or grey, Love

    Every sun beam or drop of rain is Love

    Every Summer or Winter is Love



    Every tree is Love

    Every blossom of flower is Love

    Every mountain or hillside is Love

    Every stream, river, lake or ocean is Love

    Every show of nature is Love



    Every moment with your partner is Love

    Every son and daughter is Love

    Every brother or sister is Love

    Every friend is Love

    Every neighbor is Love


    Every glimpse of the moon is Love

    Every star in the night sky is Love

    Every hour of night’s sleep is Love



    Every breath you take, that is Love
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And do I need God for all of that?
     
  14. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Love,????.....replace love with "life" and it will make sense.
    Alex
     
  15. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I’d be very surprised to hear that definition from a theist. Sounds more like an atheists understanding of how a theist may understand God.
    It is debatable in the sense that everything is debatable.
    “In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth”.
    “A tinkering alien computer programmer” could be human. Wouldn’t you say?

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    Is it possible that a computer tinkerer, could get married and procreate with his wife, and have a personal relationship with his family, while being a tinkerer?
    We don’t have to believe it.
    God can...
    See
    Hear
    Walk
    Talk
    Think
    Will
    Feel
    Does that answer your question?
    No, you’re mistaking God of the gaps with darwinism if the gaps.

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  16. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    It answers a question for me, the question of how to gauge the honesty (or lack thereof) of theists, specifically when the begin to list definitively the characteristics and traits of their God, often followed by their level of toxicity on never revealing how they know.
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    How would you rate Cancer? Love or Damnation?
     
  18. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Death is a universal constant too. If we can accept that, then what remains to be feared? (honest question that awaits your reply)
     
  19. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    One and the same thing, Alex?
     
  20. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It doesn’t answer a question for you, as you are predestined to being antithetical to God, or anything relating to God. You will find that you have no problem with anything that is antithetical to God. You will find that all of a sudden you have no questions, or objections to those claims, as has been demonstrated by yourself, countless times, on here.

    If you read the op post, you will find that these are responses to the questions asked.
     
  21. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, I did read it, hence my response to your less than honest answers. Those answer, btw, have nothing to do with my and everything to do with your lack of integrity, honesty and morals.

    If there were a God, there is no way any of us would know if God has those attributes. That's what's called an honest answer. Try it sometime.
     
  22. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Show where I have been dishonest in my answers.
    How so?
    Why do you think there would be no way for us to know?
    Bearing in mind you already think you know that, and you traipse that false knowledge around as though it is true, common knowledge, and evidential. While at the same time being without, lack of, and disbelief in, the belief in God. How could you know any of this?
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    What myths and unsupported deities that theists believe in, are due to the actual finality of death...the end, kaput!! For some reason that finality, that non existence scares and worries them.
    Quite an ignorant answer. As most of us know, Darwinism and the theory of evolution are fact, and have many, many aspects of evidence making it a fact.
    God on the other hand is a putty like substance used to fill in the gaps that as yet to be explained by science.
    The one above?
     

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