Are we made in God's image?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by James R, Apr 23, 2020.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I know we are not eternal. There is not a single example of an eternal person. OTOH we know that when the brain dies the person dies and becomes plant food or worm food. The person's memory may linger in other living persons, but over time that will also fade. No one lives forever, no one can live forever, there is only change.
     
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  3. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Would you hazard that life and consciousness is eternal? Both are products of the same source.
     
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    Was it not complicated enough for you, or did you bother to read the owner's manuals?
     
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Too much killing for me.
    Alex
     
  8. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    You don't own a television or watch action movies on Netflix?
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    But you forget it is a dynamic, not a static environment, nothing stays the same, everything changes over time. Life comes and goes to make room for new life, consciousness is only useful to the living organism. A dead organism is by definition unconscious.

    Life and consciousness was never eternal. It emerged in this universe, perhaps some 13 billion years ago when planets and ecosystems were forming. Abiogenesis is not a result of sentient motive or intent. It's a dynamic mathematical function controlling physical (chemical) interactions and emerging complexity in biological organics.
     
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  10. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    You didn't answer my question. Will Life and consciousness survive our deaths. Just a reminder, it is a big Universe.
     
  11. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    No. I abhors fiction..it should be banned ...it conditions minds to tolerate fantasy.
    Give me the facts.. nothing but the facts.

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  12. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    The Earth is round, the Sky is blue, the Universe is very, very large.
     
  13. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    What else have you got?
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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly, it's a big universe, regardless of Life or consciousness. Neither is "sacred". Nothing sacred about a virus that eats your brain or your lungs. Does the universe care? Hell nooo...we do....

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  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Hello Joe

    You look so much different on TV

    Lot taller

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    the sky is blue?
     
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  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    No you Dumb Dumb sky is a myth

    If you mean The Dome into which the stars are stuck yes that's blue

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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The inside of my skull is blue?

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  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    If you have a leaking vein in the region it might be

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  20. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Jan Ardena:

    Compare:

    "God is whatever it was that caused the universe to begin"
    "God is the transcendental cause of the universe"

    Those look pretty much the same to me, only the second one makes an additional assumption about the nature of the cause. The second definition comes from a self-declared theist, by the way. You might know him.

    We don't have to believe anything. But I didn't ask you about what we have to believe. I asked you what you believe. You avoided answering the question. Why?

    Want to try again?

    Okay, but a turtle can also do all those things too, and we humans don't seem to have been created in the image of a turtle.

    Or is it that turtles and humans are both created in the image of God?

    Anyway, I guess it's pointless asking you. Obviously you can't provide an answer.
     
  21. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Click to spin, including database error on triangle.

    Word games.

    It's your turn: Define, "transcendental". It makes a difference as to whether or not those two statements are pretty much the same.

    Another difference, James, is that the first much more apparently leads to a definition of God that you disdain for being harder to judge because it isn't as particular, or easy and condemn, as you need. There's a reason why Jan would be surprised to hear that definition comes from a theist. And the thing is, within the bounds of what passes muster for argument, as such, all he really needs to do is pay attention.

    After all, what if he's wrong? What if there's something he missed along the way? Okay, I suppose that would make your word game even more ridiculous than it already is, but that's the thing, he's gambling on what he thinks he already knows. He paid attention to something; the question about his line would seem to be if he missed anything along the way.°

    But he's challenging the word game underpinning your pretense.

    Oh, and, by the way, "tinkering alien computer programmer creating a virtual world on a whim", would not, as such, qualify as God. So we come back to the question of what you think you know, to the one, and word games, to the other.

    Think of it this way, James: What you don't want to discuss is the point you raise in general. What you do want to discuss is your religious—e.g. biblical—demands. When challenged, you play a word game that points right back to what you don't want to discuss.

    Now, complain all you want about theists, or even Jan, Jan, Jan. Been there, heard that, even done some of it. After this long, I would have otherwise expected people capable of coping with the fact of evangelists like Jan Ardena, and maybe even to have learned a thing or three about how to deal with him.

    Or, maybe not.

    Here, pay attention.

    • • •​

    There is what Andy and Johnette↱ said:

    I told the priest, don't count on any Second Coming; God got his ass kicked the first time he came down here, slumming; he had the balls to come, the gall to die, and then forgive us. No, I don't wonder why; I wonder what He thought it would get us. Hey, hey! Good-bye! Tomorrow, Wendy is going to die.

    Only God says, "Jump!" but I set the time; 'cause if He ever saw it, it was through these eyes of mine. And if He ever suffered, it was me who did His crying: Hey, hey! Good-bye! Tomorrow, Wendy is going to die.

    It is because, as Yazata↗ reminded, "that God needs to be Divine, God needs to be Holy", and it's not like you don't already know that.

    Maybe they need you to be their Devil. That you are so obliging is what it is, and says what it will in whatever context. You know, kind of like how they're supposed to be the smart ones, you're supposed to be the virtuous one. True, setting such presuppositions and expectations to rest would probably be helpful, but himog is not malamati even if malamati can be himog. Akin to what I told↗ Yazata: Sometimes, whirling about in dizzied pursuit of ecstasy until accidentally figuring out what one is missing isn't the worst idea in the world. Because, there are also days when it might simply be a better gig.
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    Notes:

    ° For some sort of quasi-formal sake, we should note it is at least possible you both missed something along the way, but that seems rather a futile path at the moment.
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Comfort and confidence, nice feeling....

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  23. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Factually speaking, if you were a Tetrachromat the sky might be a glowing violet. Facts can often be subjective, depending on the context in which you frame them.
     

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