# Arguments for the soul's existence...

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by one_raven, May 11, 2006.

1. ### SarkusHippomonstrosesquippedalo phobeValued Senior Member

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As you seem to be so desperate for a response, ToR, here goes:

You are right, in that it seems plausible given that noone is able to disprove your idea.

It is also not a valid scientific theory - in that it can not be falsified.

To have a chance of being falsified, this other entity would have to be measurable / observed.
Until that time it remains as plausible as anything else that is immaterial, and logically consistent with something that doesn't exist.

That doesn't mean it isn't plausible - but then an infinite things are plausible. So why should this be any better than those other infinite?

So, just as it entirely possible that this Universe sits inside a jar on God's bookshelf, it is possible that you are right.

However, it lacks credibility due to the very fact that it is logically akin to the non-existent and to the infinite other things for which there is no evidence. And as such your idea is not plausible.

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3. ### Crunchy CatF-in' *meow* baby!!!Valued Senior Member

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Sounds just as effective as the 'God' virus. I claim 'Spirit' exists, 'Spirit' encapsulates all your thoughts, memories, emotions, and allows your consciousness to persist after death, 'Spirit' by it's very definition is not part of this reality therefore it cannot be detected in any way, 'Spirit' magically has a link to people, belieeeevvvee ... now go and propagate this virus, tell the non-believers that they are illogical when asking for evidence and if they logically question the necessarily measrable link between people and spirit, then tell them 'God' does it with his will (therefore non-measurable again) and that he works in mysterious ways.

5. ### (Q)Encephaloid MartiniValued Senior Member

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Sorry, you'll have to point out exactly where he does that or else you're just blowing smoke.

7. ### Medicine*WomanJesus: Mythstory--Not History!Valued Senior Member

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M*W: The soul is made up of bioelectric energy. When a person dies, this bioelectric energy disperses but never dies.

8. ### WilmetRegistered Senior Member

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Well, this is interesting! No "arguments" to share... not even sure about the "eternal" soul... but, during my half-century on this planet, I have been with a number of people at the time of their death and I have had interactions with people who have passed away so I'm quite certain that a part of us continues to exist... For how long...? I don't know.

9. ### geeserAtheism:is non-prophet makingValued Senior Member

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I and mr randi will both give you a million dollars if you can prove that.
http://www.randi.org/

10. ### Jan ArdenaOM!!!Valued Senior Member

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The only thing you know, is that you are anti-God, and boy, you don’t half let us know.

You point it out.
He already knows what the definition of “soul” means. He told you in his last post. Go and study the Bhagavad Gita (CHAPTER 2), then maybe you’ll know also.

Of course he does.
How else can we discuss whether the soul is existent or not.

So where did he get the idea that the spiritual soul should be detected by material means, as evidence of proof of its existence?

HELLO!!

He’s already done that. Did you fail to read his post? Or is it that you don’t understand.
Do some research and get back to us.

Jan.

11. ### (Q)Encephaloid MartiniValued Senior Member

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Of course its stupid, I can't be out of favor or fanatical about something that doesn't exist. That would better describe you, fanatical about the non-existent.

But, you still don't understand what was written in the post.

So, you have nothing of value to offer.

He didn't, he simply offered up the explanation that IF the soul were material, it should be detectable, like anything else that is material. Seems like a pretty simple concept, don't ya think?

No, he did not, LT merely made assertions; "the soul has no connection with the body, all lifeforms have souls, the soul is the human." Boris had already taken these concepts in hand and explained them away as not being possible. LT backfilled his assertions with mumbo-jumbo as opposed to actually argue the points made and then added that his mumbo-jumbo somehow invalidated Boris' argument.

You don't seem to understand that religioius dogma and superstitions are useless when arguing those points, since it is not the dogma that is being refuted, it is the concept of the soul.

12. ### Light TravellingIt's a girl O lord in a flatbed FordRegistered Senior Member

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So you are not arguing against the religious concepts of soul. The Hindu concept for example.

Well would you be so kind as to describe for us what this 'concept' of soul is that you are talking about??

Because it must be clear to you by now that those of us with religious / spiritual beliefs are not familiar with this concept you seem to have.

So if you would be so kind - describe this "concept of the soul" that you talk of for us.....

13. ### (Q)Encephaloid MartiniValued Senior Member

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What would be the point of that? The argument must first establish whether or not the soul is material, which of course cannot be established, however an argument for both is available.

I cannot, since souls do not exist.

However, 'soul' comes from the Greek word meaning 'breath, wind or air' while the word 'spirit' comes from the Latim word 'spiritus' meaning 'breath.' It essentially allowed the primitive mind to understand the difference between a live person and a dead body.

14. ### spiritual_spySN0W_F0X FounderRegistered Senior Member

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15. ### usp8riotRegistered Senior Member

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Let's face it and stop with all the magic and mysticism, when we die, we have no energy left in us, therefore, we're nothing. The soul is just as an indention in the framework of time/space. It is the rock in the pond. The rock has gone from that space and time but has left ripples on the pond to show something has been there. It is no more and has left it's mark on the present. What makes us what we are, our soul, is us being alive, transferring energy, and when we die, it is no more. Nothing more is created when we are created, other than the thought in God's mind, to put it in lamen's. We are just a means to transfer energy. And once we're done transferring energy, to do God's work, there is no 'soul' energy that we typically know. You won't live on in the state you are now. We are not immortal. We can only live on with God.

Our body is merely a factor in the equation. And our 'soul' merely the presence of a dead useless number that helped to arrive at the final equation. It is no longer, but you can tell by mathematical deduction that something has been there, it leaves a record. And I believe it can only be resurrected by God if He deems the body to have done good.

16. ### WilmetRegistered Senior Member

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Oh! Thanks for the offer. I'll take you up on it if someone can tell me how one goes about proving the content of unplanned conversations...?

No matter... The knowledge that I gained during conversations with people who have passed sometimes saved a life and/or brought comfort to someone who was in severe emotional distress ... In my book, money is not what's important in such instances.

17. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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Ill say one thing for you Patriot, thats an interesting perspective. I love the ripple analogy. But I sense you need to put a name to that god. And it has to be a Biblical name?

18. ### usp8riotRegistered Senior Member

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I just feel the biblical God, and perhaps the Islamic God, maybe even Buddhist God is perhaps the same God I believe in. I feel most of the prophets I read who speak of God, not precisely, but summarily speak of the God I feel. There are only two decisions we can serve in life, and that is good and bad. Therefore, only two Gods. That which speaks of love, tolerance, forgiveness, and empathy, and that which is hateful, careless, unmerciful, and for the wrong choice. So really, when I look at it, I only have a choice between two sides.

19. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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Then you dont need religion at all? Seems to just get in the way for me.

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21. ### KovakRegistered Senior Member

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On the 29th of May my newborn son James entered this world traumatically after birth complications, He was perfect physically and at 38 weeks gestation but prolonged hypoxic brain injury effectively meant that he was 'brain dead.Kept alive by modern medicine where was his soul?

Where does the soul reside within? A 45yo younger relative suffers a massive heart attack & brain injury again is kept alive via modern medicine? How do we know when the soul has 'left the building'?

Obviously in the case of James when he took his last earthly breath in my hands & I felt his last heart beat he physically died, as with all humans the memory of his short life lives within our hearts NOT mind.Why do we feel this pain & suffering within, NOT in the mind as we perceive it through the senses but in the heart & physical body. Interesting, I dont know the answer...

I can comprehend the Aura as a an bio-electrical field through the Kirillian effect, that we all originated from the parodoxical original 'source of everything' of which light and its waves & colors define our physical world & resonate at many levels in our mind, bodily function etc,

Is 'the soul' a very small part of this 'source of everything' that via light speed over vast lengths of time filters back to 'the source' & allows it to somehow experience this physical life in all it pleasure & pain?

Before light, time matter & space what could have existed?
Nothing, yet it appears paradoxically that within nothing indeed did the 'something' originate.

Do we delude ourselves about a soul that transcends our death or is it a part of this universal origin?

22. ### krokahRegistered Senior Member

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If this is true then our souls would have to be around to pick out their current body, out of choice. Why would the soul pick out a body that is deformed or born in poverty. Lessons? Growth? I sometimes wonder about the luck some people have or their place in life. Maybe next time I could get with a family with a last name like Gates.

23. ### Fabio4allRegistered Member

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I hate to answer a question with a question, but the way I view the argument is like this:

Say I were to go over to your house one day with my bud, a neurophysician. He freezes both of us (neglect problems with cryogenic freezing) and cut open both of our heads. Say he then cut both of our brains straight our of our heads, and placed my brain in your body. Say, for sake of an easier argument that you are a girl. Now he unfreezes you. What would you say would happen in this case? Would I be controlling your body, a male literally in a females body? Would it still 'be' you, but with my thinking capacity, trained responses, skills etc? Would you have my memories? Would you be in control, but have my tendencies, likes and dislikes? If you would still be you, under any other conditions, then the soul exists. If I would be controlling your body, again under any other conditions, then the soul doesn't exist. I believe that you would be controlling you, but you would have my tendencies, thinking processes, skills, and likes and dislikes. I believe that the soul is real, it's what literally controlls your body. Your brain holds memories and such, and is responsible for influencing the soul to make decisions based on experiences, preferences, and trained responses. The soul still commands the brain. The amount of control your soul has over your brain is willpower.