Atheist expects death to be oblivion.

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Dinosaur, Nov 19, 2018.

  1. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

    perhaps you will..
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  3. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    In this case, one had issue with the deliberate shifting of focus; one has issue with the shifty poster thus misapplying it.
    But one has clarified the the relationship depicted in the analogy.
    ETA - one is now heartily sick of the word "bravado" as used by a chronic and probably incurable abuser of words, ad-man and ice-cream addict.
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    The bulk of this thread is a case of Musika declaring how he thinks others behave, as if he is the only one who can possibly be objective (we're all too close to it to observe our own behavior).

    It's the same sort of meta mix of ad hom and gas-lighting he's attempted in other threads.

    He doesn't address the arguments made, he chips at the underpinnings of whether anyone is capable of making a rational argument at all.

    "You only think you feel that way because you're flawed. I've stated how all humans behave, end of story. And if you dispute me, it's only because you're flawed."

    This is Musika's modus operandi. He is quite enamored of it.

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  7. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

    On the contrary, there was a deliberate introduction of absurdity for the sake of maintaining a puerile agenda.

    More bravado.
  8. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    By you. In increasingly absurd stretches of balderdash.
    No, OST, that's too dignified a description. Perhaps even twaddle was too nice.
    More bilge.
    May one see a show of hands for "bilge"?
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member


    It certainly seems that the more religious someone is here, the more likely they are to post BS. I keep hoping for someone to break that pattern, but so far no luck.
  10. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

    Objectively it is seen that all people approach the state of death through the act of dying. It's not my opinion. To say one has issues with the latter and not the former doesn't offer a meaningful reprieve from either, despite what others may imagine.
    Oh, and for the record, its also not merely my opinion that you still get wet when wearing a drysuit, or that newborn babies find the act of birth traumatic, and so forth.

    Well, when others desperately flail around for something valid to say, it does make one wonder why.

    In other words, when it is observed that certain parties make such dreadful entrances into discussion, one has to wonder about the political agenda that drives such irrational disagreement. For example, if someone cannot concede that they get wet while swimming (even -just for the sake of entertaining pedantic extenuating circumstances - if one wears a drysuit), then, yeah, it's poor form to start complaining when others suddenly go "meta" on you.

    There is a big difference between several atheists that subscribe to the same group-think/knee-jerkery playing pantomimes together and "anyone".

    Once again, the science (if you can call it that) behind advertising does not rest on my authority. In response, all that has been offered are a few glib jokes for the sake of drawing the shortest possible route to the closest possible strawman at the expense of religion (aka, what passes for "rational discussion" amongst the dedicated few).
  11. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

    If you both are prepared to disagree about the connection between getting wet and swimming, I think the problems have taken up residence a bit closer to home.
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  12. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    I'm no expert on psychopathology, but normal psychology suggests that Musika is so terrified of death (perhaps he believes in an after-judgment and hasn't been a very good boy), that he can't imagine anyone truthfully saying that they are not. He assumes such a statement must be "bravado".
    The obsession with advertising might represent a general concept of insubstantial promises. I can't quite follow the logic of the water motif - maybe it's a baptism analogy? - but I've seen enough bloated corpses to conclude that dead men can't swim.
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    He's definitely projecting his own feelings about death onto others.
  14. Slartibartfast Registered Member

    Reality requires real bravery, that's why you pacify your fears with fairy tales.
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  15. Slartibartfast Registered Member

    In another post (can't be bothered looking) you said try swimming without getting wet and it's a perfect analogy, try dying without being dead.
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  16. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

    Your bravado was your disregard for the prospect of ceasing to exist being a serious spanner in your ambitions in life. Sure, you can whine about the foolishness of religious sentiment pursuant of eternal life, but this offers zero reprieve from ubiquitous desire that is honed to always seek the permanent amongst the temporary. Profanity then becomes buying the wrong laundry powder, eyeliner, automobile or shoe polish.
  17. Musika Last in Space Valued Senior Member

  18. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    A linguistic challenge! Let's see if I can parse this gibberish.
    *Oxford: "A bold manner or a show of boldness intended to impress or intimidate."
    .... Whom? What for?
    ** I showed no disregard; rather, acceptance of what I believe to be inevitable.
    # How is my attitude to death, which comes after life, instrumental to anything in life?
    + My ambitions, such as they were, have already been fulfilled and passed.
    As you see, none of that sentence applies to me or my comments here. IOW a complete non sequitur.
    I don't recall ever having whined about your nonsensical notions. Derided, yes, whenever the occasion presents.
    Who has this desire? Honed??? A sharp-pointed desire? How awful that you can't have a reprieve from it, since you, too, are temporary.
    * Oxford: "Blasphemous or obscene language."
    How you fit that into your ever-present obsession with shopping, I'm not sure, but it obviously has no bearing whatever on my posts in particular, anyone's attitude to death, atheists in general, or the thread topic.

    On the whole, typical Musika.
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

    You're not making any sense.
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

    I'm not. I am noting that the more religious someone is, the more nonsensical BS they post.
  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

    ... and the more afraid they seem to be of going to meet their maker. Though they dress that fear up as something positive -- as if there were any more to be achieved in the life of a 92-year-old ex-movie-star who now has arthritis and dementia.
  22. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

    Death as an antidote to entropy. It's a part of our design as much as an octopus which only lives for several years. An immortal human would necessarily become inhuman.
  23. Dinosaur Rational Skeptic Valued Senior Member

    You can face it with dignity, go out screaming, put it in the back of your mind & not think about. Perhaps there are other mind sets possible.

    No matter what your POV is, I cannot imagine liking (or even being content with) being mortal.

    My view of life is summed up by the following (I forget the source, although it might be a view I reached on my own long ago.)

    I want to have the courage and ambition to change for the better those events over which I have some control.

    I want to have the dignity to calmly accept those adverse events over which I have no control.

    I especially want the wisdom to know which events fall into which category.​

    My eventual death & total oblivion belongs, of course, to the second category.

    The main selling point of religion is the delusional myth that there is a happy after life for those with faith.

    For those who believe in seances & charlatans who claim to be able to communicate with the departed, change your delusional belief & spend your time & money on something realistic.​

    Even folks you would expect to recognize charlatans can be marks.

    Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wasted much time & money on charlatans who claimed to be able to provide communication with a son who died during WW1.

    He finally gave up on the charlatans & started attending the Spiritualist Church heavily supported by my affluent paternal grandmother.​

    BTW: My father did not share her faith in that church or the concept.

    At least she did not did no profit from that church, although those who ran it probably did.​

    While my grandmother was sincere, I agreed with my father’s skepticism about those in charge of that so called religion.

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