Atheist Realism?

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  1. ronan Only Consciousness Exists Registered Senior Member

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    Objective to a certain extent?
    you mean there is no completely objective reality?
    What does it imply?

    About the deep "I", does it belong to (partially)objective reality ?

    I have difficulty to understand what you mean, can you be more explicit and more rigorous (why saying objective before and now partially objective?)
     
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  3. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Ronan, where does consciousness come from ?
     
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  5. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, I'm very pleased for them. What now?
     
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  7. kenworth dude...**** it,lets go bowling Registered Senior Member

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    i would say that there is an objective reality but as creatures we are not capable of observing it.
     
  8. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    True. Objective reality cannot be directly or accurately perceived.
     
  9. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    What now ? The corollary, of course. When people talk of reality they really mean God; it's just that they don't know.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    What percent of this objective reality do you think we perceive?
     
  11. kenworth dude...**** it,lets go bowling Registered Senior Member

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    there's only one shop i know of that accepts gratitude as credit and it doesnt sell anything i want to buy..nevertheless,your ruler is on its way.expect it 3 galactic years before the apocalypse..
     
  12. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    What is this meaningless codswallop?

    The word 'god' has clearly defined meaning. If you want to change it to include everything from 'the universe' to 'baked beans' then that is fine, (although idiotic), but it is not an argument that people saying "baked beans" actually mean "god" but just don't know it - except in the mind of the imbecile.
     
  13. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I don't want to say any such thing. I don't know if we'll be able to acquire that level of knowledge... but it's certainly worth a try

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    Nope. Take numbers for example. 1 is different than 2 and that difference can be seen without any 'background'.

    N/A
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Oh the dictionary has become rather fluid these days, everyone gets to redefine their beliefs as they see fit.

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  15. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    Gotcha, me hearty !
     
  16. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    It is true that the meaning of words evolve but it isn't of any worth when someone merely takes one defined object, (eg an apple), and calls it something else, (eg a banana).
     
  17. Myles Registered Senior Member

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    I call my dog Fred
     
  18. stretched a junkie's broken promise Valued Senior Member

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    Birth, death and taxes.
     
  19. ronan Only Consciousness Exists Registered Senior Member

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    That was all my point: many atheist believe that they are atheist but in fact all atheist that are realists have in fact the same belief of many theist who believe in the god I described : an encompassign reality.

    we should not call this guys atheist:
    Einstein, Planck, St Augustine, Meister Eckhart, many sufis and hindu are theist (a particular kind) or realist (I woudl say also a particular kind because some other believe that everythng is made of particles), choose the word you prefer

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  20. ronan Only Consciousness Exists Registered Senior Member

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    It comes from reality/god

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    It has to
    by definition, reality is from where all our experience come from
     
  21. ronan Only Consciousness Exists Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, you mean that taxes are part of reality, but do you think that reality can exist without taxes?

    what about death and birth?

    In that case what are the property of reality that are allways present?
     
  22. ronan Only Consciousness Exists Registered Senior Member

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    Both of you finnally fall also in the Kantian view

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    which is what I was talking about.

    Ok so at least for now on you cannot tell us about reality.

    if you talk about the symbols "1"and "2" the background is the blank backgroudn of your screen

    if you talk about numbers as such, it is interesting but I think you need at least to define the rules of number before being able to know the difference between 1 and 2 (it is a matter of your axioms and definition, in other words with your mathematical background)

    going back to your description of reality, you mean that difference are difference that are in the mind (mathematical numbers) ?
     
  23. ronan Only Consciousness Exists Registered Senior Member

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    Right SAM, Snakelord you cannot say that god has a clearly defined meaning.
    The variety of theists will prove you that.
     

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