Aung San Suu Kyi.. The Fall of a Human Rights Icon..

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  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Actually paragraph 101 I like...
    Conclusions ( part):
    101. Myanmar has a heavy responsibility to remedy the situation as a matter of the utmost urgency; otherwise, it risks destroying its democratic reform process. The international community also bears responsibility and must take a united stand both to condemn the violations and to assist Myanmar in addressing the root causes of its recurrent problems. This begins by ensuring that the perpetrators of crimes are held to account, and by giving hope to victims of a future without the fear and insecurity that have to date characterized their existence.

    No suggestions as to how this might be done but hey why not say it any how...
    I suppose they expect Suu to wave a magic wand and perform a miracle?
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    so have at it Bells I know you are itching to...
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I know the UNHRC try really hard. I know that they are really decent people doing the best that they can. I also know that Trump removed the USA from participation, further reducing the UNHCR ability to perform it's mandate. They know that they are essentially hand waving and have no real power to enforce any resolutions. Which is a real shame IMO.
    Trump orders the death of thousands of civilians when bombing ISIL to death but we don't hear about the numbers. Probably because the bombing was so intense there is not a lot to count.
    But that's ok says the world , he got rid of ISIL.

    Well... you know one things certain, you can't kill an obscene ideology with a bomb. You might reduce that ideologies capacity to strike but it is still there hiding in the deserts of Syria and Iraq just waiting to rise again like the proverbial phoenix.

    BTW I hear ISIL has claimed responsibility for the bombings in Sri Lanka. Whether true or false , it doesn't matter they achieved their end regardless.
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    And what part of "and prosecuted" did you not understand?

    The report found they committed acts of genocide. It distinctly advises that they should be prosecuted for it.

    You are cherry picking little bits and posting it out of context. Not surprising. It is what you are known for.

    I suppose I should not be surprised at all at what you are now trying to do. You skipped the entire report, went to the conclusion and recommendations and then cherry picked and posted things out of context.

    So have at what?

    You have nothing to "have at".

    You have literally misrepresented a UN report, after you went on and on denying that it even was a genocide, referring to it as an "eviction".. You have still to remove your friend's photo and his name from your previous post, despite my request that you do so for your friend's safety given the anti-Muslim propaganda you have spread on this website this past week..

    So what am going to "have at", exactly?

    You have outed yourself.
     
  8. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Oh there has been a crime for sure. No doubt about it.
    In fact there is plenty of crime happening in Myanmar, bucket loads....

    This is why they recommend investigation and subsequent prosecution of the alleged perpetrators.
    The normally a court is adjourned a jury or panel selected and the prosecution prosecute their case....
    Then after all things have been considered a decision is handed down. A judgement is made as to guilt or not and then a sentence is issued.
    Pretty straight forward don't you think..?

    Exactly what anti Muslim propaganda are you referring to..?

    oh yes the Notre Dam thread where I discuss the alt right national front in France... gosh are they Muslim? really if so my apologies...
    any other anti Muslim propaganda you wish to refer to please do
     
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  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I read it when it was released ages ago...along with a few others, less known, I might add
    I presume that you haven't read the finalized report have you?

    You know the one that isn't an advanced edited version, as it says on the top of the page..

    oh... I see... again
     
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  10. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    You still haven't told the board how Suu is supposed to achieve your list of what you would do in her shoes have you?

    Good at telling people what they should do but offering no way for them to do it aren't you?

    Notes: Typing and dinner do not mix...
     
  11. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    I haven't been following this thread and was rather surprised by your posts. I think it was clear to anyone with a brain that when Suu was advocating for human rights she was actually advocating for the rights of Buddhist only. I fully supported her getting the Nobel prize, however she has since shown that she deserves a Nobel about as much as MbS does.
     
  12. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you feel that she doesn't deserve the Nobel?

    What does she have to do to retain the Nobel and how is she supposed to do it in your view?
     
  13. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Are you nutz?
    How about as an absolute minimum she acknowledges and condemns the genocidal persecution of the Rohingya people by the military?
     
  14. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    How could she and maintain any semblance of order in a badly fractured country?
    Or have herself assassinated in the process?
     
  15. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    I guess I would say if your military is systematically raping, torturing and murdering the Rohingya then you really don't have any semblance of order.
    If she is scared to speak up, then she should resign. As it is she is complicit in this genocide.

    You are defending the indefensible and it doesn't appear that you will be swayed from your position, which is your right, but it is my right to stop communicating to someone who for whatever reason is supporting a genocide, no matter how tacitly.

    Goombye.
     
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    do you really think her resignation would change anything for the better except destroy any chance her nation has of peace in the future?

    Sure if it was me I would tell the whole world to piss off and go sit on a beach somewhere sipping a whiskey... not worry about my birth place being torn to shreds due to the power vacuum I would leave behind, because some people in world have no understanding of the situation. That they somehow expect me to perform to there deluded expectations when in fact that is impossible.
    yeah I would tell then all to take a jump and enjoy my life somewhere with out a concern. And why not?
    No thanks for being a target for an assassin just to please the ignorant.

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    But Suu has stayed at her post steadfastly doing the best she can in extremely difficult circumstances.
    She was a hero before and she is still a hero now....

    Me, I would have walked away in disgust at a hysterical world ages ago...
     
  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    a good example of the ignorance involved. It isn't her military. She has no control over the military. If anything she is being held hostage by the military.
    She probably can't even resign without her family being slaughtered...
     
  18. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Remember, I said, "Goombye". No need to respond.
     
  19. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Yes, I am familiar with the obligation to be silenced before one is allowed to speak; it is a fundamental tool of tyrannical governance, and a scourge upon humanity.

    Is it really worth all that for the sake of your egotism?
     
  20. Bells Staff Member

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    Is that why you did not know what was in it?

    Is that why you still do not know what is actually in the report?

    I mean, you do not even know what genocide entails (remember when you declared how could it be a genocide because in your view, not enough people had died), despite the report that you claimed you read "ages ago" when it was released, clearly defines genocide and how the actions in Myanmar met the requirements to refer to it as genocide. So much so that you literally referred to genocide as an "eviction" and then inferred blame on the victims of this ongoing genocide.

    Is that why you kept referring to it as "the PDF file", because you did not even understand what it was and you claim you read it "ages ago"?

    Is that why you then brought up the drug cartels in South America?

    Because no one, and I mean no one, could have read this "ages ago":

    People were killed or injured by gunshot, targeted or indiscriminate, often while fleeing. Villagers were killed by soldiers, and sometimes by Rakhine men, using large bladed weapons. Others were killed in arson attacks, burned to death in their own houses, in particular the elderly, persons with disabilities and young children, unable to escape. In some cases, people were forced into burning houses, or locked in buildings set on fire.

    Rape and other forms of sexual violence were perpetrated on a massive scale. Largescale gang rape was perpetrated by Tatmadaw soldiers in at least 10 village tracts of northern Rakhine State. Sometimes up to 40 women and girls were raped or gang-raped together. One survivor stated, “I was lucky, I was only raped by three men”. Rapes were often in public spaces and in front of families and the community, maximizing humiliation and trauma. Mothers were gang raped in front of young children, who were severely injured and in some instances killed. Women and girls 13 to 25 years of age were targeted, including pregnant women. Rapes were accompanied by derogatory language and threats to life, such as, “We are going to kill you this way, by raping you.” Women and girls were systematically abducted, detained and raped in military and police compounds, often amounting to sexual slavery. Victims were severely injured before and during rape, often marked by deep bites. They suffered serious injuries to reproductive organs, including from rape with knives and sticks. Many victims were killed or died from injuries. Survivors displayed signs of deep trauma and face immense stigma in their community. There are credible reports of men and boys also being subjected to rape, genital mutilation and sexualized torture.

    Children were subjected to, and witnessed, serious human rights violations, including killing, maiming and sexual violence. Children were killed in front of their parents, and young girls were targeted for sexual violence. Of approximately 500,000 Rohingya children in Bangladesh, many fled alone after their parents were killed or after being separated from their families. The mission met many children with visible injuries consistent with their accounts of being shot, stabbed or burned.


    And then come up with this:

    Calling it an "eviction"..

    Unless there was something very, very wrong with them.

    Because what the hell kind of sick mind, can consider this an "eviction" and then literally victim blame..?

    Please, QQ. Just stop.
     
  21. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    The mind of the drug cartel who paid the soldiers and local Buddhists to evict them that's who I was referring to.
     
  22. Bells Staff Member

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    You again refer to GENOCIDE as an "eviction"...

    You have provided zero evidence for your claims. I would suggest you post links to support this ridiculous claim that you have made multiple times now. And those links better explain why the civilian Government was also posting propaganda to support this genocide.

    You have until the end of weekend. Failure to support your claims will see you treated like a troll and moderated. And I would again suggest that you remove the photo of your friend. If you do not, then I will moderate you for breaching this man's privacy and endangering him by not only posting his photo, but also his name. This is the internet, and this is a public forum and given your trolling and revolting arguments, I do not think it is acceptable that you post anyone's photo this way. I have asked you to do this several times now and you have yet to comply. You have until the end of today to do so.

    This has gone on for long enough.
     
  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    again as you do to Suu you are asking for the impossible, and no I am not going to hack this forums software just to keep you happy either.
    • You are not well Bells.
    • You have made spurious accusations that offer no legitimate right of appeal.
    • You hide behind your moderator status to defend an indefensible position.
    • You request an impossibility as you should well know.
    • You have demonstrated a sever lacking of objectivity in this discussion.
    • Your extreme moral outrage does nothing to aid your cause and everything to aid the real perpetrators of this evil.

    Tell me how long does a member have to edit his post before the software removes that privilege?

    1. I do not believe it was genocide.
    2. I believe it was made to look like genocide by the drug cartels.
    3. I believe the military that are the subject of UN recommendations are being paid and thoroughly corrupted by the drug cartels.
    4. All persons in the Government of Myanmar are potentially corrupted. Extortion is a terrible thing. Threats of assassination taken seriously.
    5. If any one is guilty of genocide it is the drug cartels who pay the military and government officials to do what they want.

    1. From the perspective of the drug cartel paying the military it is seen as an eviction , not a genocide.
    2. If it were a genocide the military would have slaughtered millions and could still do so, not the number that you are talking about.
    3. I do not agree with the Human Rights propaganda that it was a genocide obviously.
    4. I agree there was ethic hostility involved but the primary motivation is not genocide. It was primarily about crime syndicates and lots of money.
    5. I have good reason to hold that position as I have attempted to explain.
    6. Genocide requires a motive.
    7. That motive is not easily determined.
    8. The drug cartels of which there are many, desire for growth is a greater motivation than ethic hostilities.
    9. As evidence: since the crisis the increase in drug manufacturing in Myanmar has increased dramatically. This was in part facilitated by the crisis.
    10. Methamphetamine has been poring out of Myanmar in a tonnage never before seen.
    I see it on the streets here in Melbourne every where.

    In 2010 (?) over 40 % of Myanmar's foreign exchange was illegal drug money, human trafficking, slavery and child exploitation.
    That 40% today is more likely to be closer to 60% and growing thanks to the world's emotional outrage being directed at the wrong target.

    Trump declares a war on Opioids.
    El Cappo gets convicted
    CEO's of pharmaceutical companies being charged with promoting addiction to Opioids.

    the timing is no coincidence...

    so I again ask you again....

    How is Suu supposed to fix this mess when being held under such impossible conditions?

    She never left prison she is still in a prison...just a bigger one..

    The greatest concern I have is that the drug cartel funded military and militia of which there are many, could begin to slaughter their hostages at any time, leaving literally many millions of corpses for you to get all emotional about. But they wont do that so long as Suu is being accused of genocide and not them.
    Once the military are indicted for genocide there is every chance that Suu's life will be forfeit and so too all the hostages that they have. The hostages refer to just about all civilians in Myanmar. I believe that the UN is fully aware of this potential and is acting accordingly.
    It can be resolved only covertly...

    Do you understand the sort of "Fire" you are playing with?
     
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