Aung San Suu Kyi.. The Fall of a Human Rights Icon..

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  1. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    you obviously don't use social media like face book or twitter or instagram etc...there are zillions of photos... of people with or with out their consent, children, adults, flowers, buildings, oh dear what on earth are you on about...?

    I even have my own picture in my profile... not once has it posed a problem...it is me after all my avatar...

    With the right facial recog software you can find out not only my name, address, mobile you can even find out what my favorite color is... and what I like to eat for dinner. sheesh!
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    For general information.
    Why threaten my membership to sciforums because of this issue?


    My original exposure to the Golden Triangle occurred about 10 years ago when I was doing IT work for a charity based in the UK.
    A charity that provided volunteer teachers for the orphanages on the Thai Burma border region.
    I discovered by accident that they were in fact a pedophile ring that was using the guise of charity to further their cause.
    I contacted the AFP.
    The military information that the charity wanted me to publish was the clue.
    I managed to extricate my self by involving the AFP ( Australian Federal Police)
    I even published a letter to that charity on face book to ensure transparency.
    I am quite happy to publish it here if you wish.
    As an outcome of that situation and subsequent investigation the sheer depth of the depravity occurring in Burma ( Myanmar) became evident.
    Going after pedophile rings using fake charitable status has been let us say a hobby I pursue with a passion. This hobby has led to many insights and contacts with in the Myanmar/Thai region.

    I hold no fear of assassination as a medical diagnosis I received about 18 months ago makes it futile. All the information I gather is in the hands of the AFP.

    Of course as an IT worker I am aware that this thread is probably being monitored by the perpetrators of the crimes regarding the Rohingya. Of course this tempers and modifies what I post.

    Of course I seek them to monitor this thread for obvious reasons of counter monitoring...

    So why acknowledge it now?
    Because it is no longer necessary to keep it under cover.
    Why?
    Ahhh that's a good question...
     
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  5. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i think you should(generally) not post pictures of others generally, even WITH their consent.
    sorry to hear.

    keep in mind what drives your passion 'the need to make a difference'.
    sometimes, if not many to most, it matters not how hard you hit the nail with the hammer, the nail will not go down, it will only buckle & twist.

    often hard held ideas which closely run parallel to perceived stereo types are often miss perceived as bigotry.
    you can not change the way others perceive things. you can only show them things that they may choose to think on and consider.
    Forcing the change of perception is pure art
    The art(in real long term) is in knowing how the person comprehends the most saintly reason to agree to a better good outcome.
     
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  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I agree... but the Muslim gentleman concerned was so outraged by Bells defamation
    and hate speech, he almost begged me to...
     
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  8. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    There is a famous bit of wisdom by I don't know who that is often forgotten in the emotional outrage...
    We are currently paying homage to our ANZAC day it is now 11.52am and on the 11th hour of the 11 day of the 11 month we shall remember.

    For me:

    Its not the number of soldiers you send to their deaths that matters most, it is the number of people who survive and live in freedom because of their sacrifice that does.

    For the loss of thousands, millions can live - a leaders burden and curse.

    That said, it is not what I (or we) have lost here at sciforums that matters. It is the children and adults that have been saved that does.
    My personal loss due to defamation is nothing compared to the smile on a child's face being freed from a cage in the poppy fields of Myanmar. The child's religion or ethnic identity is utterly irrelevant.

    Ironically the poppy is a symbol used during ANZAC day memorials.
     
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  9. Bells Staff Member

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    Mod Note

    Sorry to hear about your medical diagnosis.

    Still expect links.

    Otherwise stop making claims that have no factual basis.

    While you are free to post your own image at your own risk, you have absolutely no right to post the image of your friend on this website. He can join and post his image, at his own risk if he so chooses.

    You have until tonight, QQ, to remove that image or ask a moderator remove it for you.

    Failure to do so will result in moderation. This is your final warning.
     
  10. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I am sorry but my medical diagnosis is unable to be linked to as are my Thai/Myanmar sources. Perhaps mri,ct and ultrasound negs might help.
    If you wish for that image to be removed by all means remove it. We made our point.
    As to your threats of moderation, the position I take is this as I did under the Alphanumeric regime a few years ago.
    It doesn't matter if I get censored by a forum that disregards it's own regulations so badly as it appears to be doing. See the religious forum for recent examples.
    Wayward moderators destroy forums is the lesson learned from the Alfanumeric debacle.
    There is no value investing time an energy in a forum that will ultimately fall on its own sword.
    So I shall wait for your moderation.
     
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  11. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Let me be quite clear: ( to save time later)
    Bells unsupported accusations against me :

    1. That I am carrying water for a genocidal regime. ( terribly offensive)
    2. That I am an anti Muslim racists who posted anti-Muslim/racists commentary in the Notre Dam thread (which is utterly false and a lie) - ( terribly offensive)
    3. That I am anti Muslim. which is why I posted the photo of my Muslim African friend Hussein. With his permission to support my claim to non-racism. (Terribly offensive)
    4. I have no right to post an image of my friend who asked me to use it to support me when attacked by Bells as being racist and anti-muslim. I have every right to defend myself from such offensive accusations.
    5. That I refused to read an article that I read in 2018 and subsequently other articles posted by the UN.

    and no doubt a few more yet to come to mind...( will post later as I review this and other theads.)

    I expect an apology and admission of mistake from Bells at the very least.

    Your can not go around accusing people with out the right to a defense like you have been doing Bells. Poisoning other members by your "call to authority" in a way that can not be defended against with out off topic posting.
    Your behavior is inexcusable.
    Sciforums was a place for respectful discussion not constant slander and defamation by a moderator.

    Rules are rules and a Moderator should set an example of adherence not breakage.
    Lying with impunity, un-restrained by conventional behavior, full of hate speech and poison, destroys not only your credibility but the credibility of all your fellow members and moderators.
    Constant use of the argumentum ad hominem not only destroys value for this forum it destroys any integrity the forum has and clearly and consistently breaks one of the most important rules for respectful discussion on ANY Forum.

    Sorry Bells, but even if you are unwell there are limits to what rules you should be allowed to break under the title of moderator.

    I await for moderation...
     
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  12. Bells Staff Member

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    Okay?

    Because as you are clearly aware, I was not asking for proof of your medical condition.

    But troll on..

    Yep.

    I take it you still refuse to support your claims regarding the subject matter of this thread?

    You have time. I gave you until the end of the weekend.

    Better get googling..


    You called a genocide an "eviction", declared your open support for someone who has been named as contributing to said genocide, you have then made up some weird story about Mexican drug cartels apparently faking a genocide, denied it is a genocide despite all evidence that it is, and so on and so forth.

    If that isn't carrying water in support, then I don't really know what is.

    Your linking it to Sri Lanka in the Notre Dame thread:

    I could say stop lying, but we all know that's just essentially talking into the void..

    I said that your posting the photo of your friend on this site, and naming him, was dangerous given your horrific posting history here.. I also noted that this is a public website, that anyone could read what you said and access that man's photo.

    I also noted that your use of your friend was tantamount to when racists declare "I have a black friend"..

    I am sorry, but you have no right to post his photo here and then name him.

    You are free to post your own image and whatever information you choose, at your own risk and against our distinct and direct recommendations (it's also in this site's rules). But people have been banned for doing what you did, QQ.

    If anything happened to your friend, because of your posting his image here and given your horrific posts of late, you could endanger this website. Most importantly, you directly endangered your friend by posting his image here given what you have been saying here. This is a public forum. Posts here show up in google.

    So no, you do not have the right to post your friend's image here and name him, no matter how many times he asked you to use it regardless of the reason.

    You still do not understand?

    You never read it. Because as I noted above, anyone who read it and then could come up with the absolute crap excuses and denials you have made, well, there is something very wrong with that person. If you read it and you still came out with what you have over the last week and even beforehand, I would suggest you seek help.

    And the reason I know you did not read it is because you did not even recognise what it was, nor did you understand what it was.

    You are going to be waiting a long, long time.

    'To infinity and beyond'...

    My dear fellow, I have been literally begging you to support your arguments with links, reports, etc.

    You are yet to do so.

    You have failed to apply any consistency to any of your claims and arguments... A read through this thread would see that.

    You want to defend yourself? Do so! Please, for the love of all that is chocolate! Post links, support your claims and arguments with reports, studies..

    My "call to authority" is because after how long, you have failed to actually support any of your claims and arguments. Instead, you keep posting conspiracy theories with no factual basis.

    Yep.

    My behaviour is inexcusable.. Because I dare to expect you to back up your argument and claims? How dare I!!!1!

    You have been given a ridiculous amount of leeway. But that has now ended.

    So time to support your claims.

    And if you keep posting dangerous propaganda, as per this site's rules, I am well within my rights to moderate you.

    Yes. I support my claims.

    I am still waiting for you to do the same.

    So stop whining and start posting those links to support your claims that this is not a genocide but something faked by drug cartels and apparently something something Mexico.

    I await your links with excitement!

    Expecting you to support your argument is all of that?

    Wow..

    Do you know what destroys credibility on this site, QQ? Particularly when it comes to staff and our relationship with members?

    It happens when we fail to expect or demand that people support their claims.

    I am not even going to bother pointing out the irony here.

    Why do you keep going on and on about my health?

    I am quite well, thank you! Fit as a proverbial fiddle. I even went for a jog and a very cool swim very early this morning! Then went for a bush walk with my family.. Another swim.. Had lunch.

    So I thank you for your concern about my health, it is really not necessary.
    You have to the end of this upcoming weekend to post your links and evidence (with links) of what you have claimed in this thread.
     
  13. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Ad hominem (Latin for "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument,
    Why wait... do it now....
    If I post the the support you request people will most likely be harmed.
    Now do you understand...
    The whole point of raising the alternative to the popular genocide take is that there is an alternative view.
    One that makes a hell of lot more sense than the one you are talking about.

    • The UNHRC has clearly stated that their investigations have led them to believe that military are guilty of genocide. Fact.
    • They also believe that some government officials have spread propaganda that supports the military. Fact.
    • But they have not stated that the military and most government officials are in the pocket of the Drug cartels. Fact.
    • They can not state such with causing irreparable harm to Myanmar governance. (opinion)
    • The military action and so called genocide is therefore due to the instructions of the drug cartels. ( easy to logically conclude for anyone but fact for me )

    So it is easy to conclude that the genocide you speak of was funded and directed by the Drug Cartels. ( which is a fact for me)
    And I will not expose my sources just to keep you happy.

    But alas I am wasting my time attempting to discuss anything with you Bells..
    so moderate now... don't wait...
     
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  14. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    No, your constant use of poisonous ad hominem says it all... you are not well Bells...and in My opinion unfit to be a moderator.
     
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  15. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Actually when you do let me know because we are still waiting.
     
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    another lie... you can't help it I know...
    Post personal information at your own risk....
    No mention of images that have consent of the person in them.

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    What happens when a moderator knowing posts false and misleading information?
     
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  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    OK one at a time:
    Bells: Would you defend her like this if her victims were not Muslims?
    Accusing me of preferential treatment, racism, religious bigotry.​
    Bells: Why do you support the expulsion of Burmese Muslims by declaring they should somehow be given 'world wide citizenship', instead of being allowed to return to their homeland and given back their citizenship, which was stripped from them?
    Addressed earlier and deliberately over looked.​
    Bells: Why do you use the execution of her supposed former ally, a Muslim who challenged the Government about the rights of Muslims in the country, someone she did not even attend the funeral for or speak of his execution or denounce it for weeks and weeks as though it is a trump card, to the point where you even posted the image of the man being executed, to defend her?
    Fully explained at the time and on a couple of other occassions, and deliberately ignored to pursue her flaming defamatory trolling agenda.


    The image was posted to defend myself from your ongoing ridiculous accusations. It was posted with his consent. He is offended by your accusations as well. Deeply troubled by your approach to the issue.

    You have deliberately posted false and defamatory information when in fact nothing to do with Islam was mentioned in that thread. Nor is there any Islam derogatory posting any where on the boards ever posted by me... ever.
    Your motivation is obvious.
    Your comment being as false as it is has placed not only me but other members of this forum in jeopardy.
    Any extremist reading your comment and believing it coming from a moderator no less, would assume that QQ is a hater of Islam. He is not.
    An apology will do little to repair the damage your vitriolic mind has done.
    Shame on you!
     
  18. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    "Why do you use the execution of her supposed former ally, a Muslim who challenged the Government about..."
    Curious word usage... execution... instead of the word assassination... why's that Bells?
    Was he executed whilst holding his child, in your opinion?

    He was employed primarily to rewrite the constitution that had been installed by the military junta...the ones most likely being funded by the drug cartels...
    He was a long term friend of Suu's and her legal counsel for over 6 (?) years.
    Military Junta <=> constitutional reform <=> assassination...
    it ain't hard to draw a conclusion IMO
     
  19. Bells Staff Member

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    You are still trolling.

    For example:

    You have made bizarre and unfounded claims about drug cartels.

    You have been asked, repeatedly, to provide proof of this.

    You are now pulling 'people will be harmed' BS out of your proverbial black hole.

    If you cannot back up your claims, do not make the claim.

    It's really that simple. It isn't a lot to ask for. If you have zero evidence to present that Mexican drug cartels are involved in Myanmar (since you seemed to be confused about that yourself?) and, as you posited as a statement of fact, 'faked a genocide' and that it is an "eviction", and this is despite all evidence to the contrary, be it from the UN, through to various aid organisations and reporters who reported on the genocide, then I would recommend that you not make any factual claim that you cannot back up.

    Perhaps you exist in some sort of fantasy land, where you imagine these things have happened and you think it's real.

    You have twisted yourself into a pretzel. Retract those claims if you cannot support them. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    You have provided zero evidence to support your argument that it is not a genocide and that somehow or other, Chappo made it into the thread and your mind because he or drug cartels from South America and Mexico are somehow or other involved and they are all in on it..

    I'll put it this way.

    Your conspiracy theories are not wanted here.

    Okay?

    Maybe it's the Mexican drug cartel using lasers at my brain...

    Who is "we"?

    Everyone else can see the links I have provided.

    Do you have an issue seeing those links?

    Yep.

    And we have a history of banning people who post personal information of other people on this site.

    So you got off lucky.

    I mean, it's a fairly standard rule across all forums. You do not post personal information of other people. He may have given you consent and great.. The fact that we do not know that for sure aside... We also do not allow it.

    Do you understand now?

    You have not supported any of your arguments.

    You have made a ridiculous claim that it is not a genocide, but something faked by South American drug cartels. You labeled genocide an "eviction". That's just some of the rubbish you have posted in this thread.

    You have failed to support any of your claims. Complaining that I am asking you, again, to support your claims is not going to help you.

    If you cannot do so, then stop posting in this thread.

    If you continue to refuse to support your ridiculous and dangerous claims and arguments you have presented here, you will face moderation. I have given you until the end of the weekend, our time, to do so. Which is more than most people get.

    So instead of whining, bitching and posting even more lies and conspiracy theories, I'd suggest you start backing up your claims.

    QQ, looking at our ongoing reports, I can assure you, many, many, many people are concerned about your approach and behaviour.

    I do not know your friend. You claim he gave you his consent to post his image to show that you have a Muslim friend? Great. We don't really care. You are not allowed to post his photo and name him on this site. We do not know him, nor have we seen him give you his consent. And given your dishonest behaviour (eg, the lies, misrepresenting facts and articles and reports, your record of altering people's posts to change its narrative, etc), we cannot trust you or believe that you are telling the truth.

    Perhaps you are or perhaps you are not. Regardless, you cannot post his photo here and name him or use him in this way. If he wants to post his photo online in a public forum, he can do so. You cannot do that on his behalf here.

    I have explained this multiple times now. It isn't acceptable. It is downright dangerous. And you are opening him up to danger and all sorts of horrible things, because this is a public forum and you have spouted enough rubbish, that could see him be at risk.

    Do you understand now?
    You linked Notre Dame directly to Sri Lanka and declared that Notre Dame was the first Catholic Church attacked and then the Sri Lanka attacks.

    Do you really want to try and lie about your own words now? You are on record. Quoted. And if you try and edit it out, I can see what you posted before by the way.. So stop lying.

    You are presumably a grown man. Start acting like one.

    Ya, you declared that genocide was really an "eviction" and shame on me?

    The irony.

    He was executed by former military personnel.

    You can call it an assassination if you like.

    At the end of the day, he was still murdered.

    If your level of trolling is going to see you pitch fits about splitting hairs, then really, there's nothing more I can say to you, is there?

    Maybe his killer was a member of the Mexican drug cartel?

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    Oh my god..
     
  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Hussein and I and now a few others...
    So am I a racists Bells?
    Am I a religious bigot Bells?
    Who exactly is trolling Bells?
    Am I carrying water for a genocidal regime?

    You are yet to provide evidence for any of your spurious nonsense....

    Not fit to be a moderator.
     
  21. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    You also provided a list of things you would do in Suu's shoes:
    and you are not alone, so many hysterical people would agree with you...until
    They get asked:

    How are you going to achieve that list, in practical terms...?
    Then suddenly you have to deal with the reality of your own ignorance and gullibility...
    For example:
    How are you going to give citizenship to the Rohingya if the military are in control and don't want to give them citizenship? ( it's unconstitutional any how I believe, which is why Suu was attempting to reform it and that Muslim legal adviser was assassinated)
    How are you going to protect any re-repatriated Rohingya when the military that committed the criminal acts against the Rohingya in the first place, are in control and not you?
    How are you going to reform the nations constitution if the Military are against it and will assassinate any who attempt to do so?

    So how do you propose Suu is going to achieve your wish list?
    The UN isn't going to help her and can not be trusted any how.
    China has to much invested in children and adult sex slaves, amphetamine etc to be wanting to help...
    The USA ...well... they are so addicted to Myanmar opioids (pain killers mainly) that they are not going to be much use either.

    Just ask any Afghan refugee about apparent USA sponsored poppy production in Afghanistan and you will get the picture.

    So how is Suu going to achieve this miracle that you demand of her?

    any one?
     
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  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    multi aphasic thought sequentialism(my own term)

    what you are doing from one side of the table is pandering to add conflation to assert a form of proof that racism is null and void by physical symbolisms(posting a picture of a guy whos black)

    remember trump saying while on stage "where is my black guy" ?

    even if it appears to be the correct response, your interpretation to define the response has been drawn into a single channel of distorted factualism.

    your assertion to assert a sense of singularity in the essence of your thought has become the essence of the lack of dynamic conceptualization.

    this is added to by the need to hammer the nail harder to create a factualised sense of achievement.
    in this case less is more.
    oxy and various other things reduces oxygen to the brain. over longer periods this reduces the emotional containment of thought processes to drive a need for shorter resolutions.
    this drives the super ego & ego
    letting go of something that is needed to attain self actualization is EXTREMELY difficult.
    your sense of injury is probably compounded issues.

    when someone responds emotively, if you choose to pick up the same baton and run with it, it will weigh you down in one direction.
    left, right, forward, backward....
    not being totally conscious of that results in you bending off into a different direction.

    i doubt most people are able to remain emotionally separated to highly contentious issues that drive culture and self actualization and quality of life.
    bigotry
    racism
    sadism ... genocide ... etc ....

    personally i prefer to have the mods involve themselves emotively into thread subjects.

    how does brinkmanship show its own ego inside the psyche of the person i wish to live as ?
     
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  23. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    When confronted with the hysterical claims made by a moderator, Hussein and I thought it appropriate.
    We are still tempted to post a group photo, but have decided that Bells would probably have a cardiac arrest and decided to wait and see...

    Her interpretation of the Notre Dam thread is what bugs me.

    I make an association with the other Church incidents and immediately she jumps on the anti-muslim racists accusations.
    She has no idea of the religious and racial mix of Sri Lanka. None, yet is prepared to castigate any one who may have some insight.

    Bells believes I am a religious bigot and a racist with out a shred of evidence to support it.
    Bells belief is not my problem, it is her attempt to defame and poison that is. A typical Trump-ian activity, poison all who oppose you.

    Bells ad hominem approach and the fact that she can get away with it, is a great example of what is wrong with this world. IMO.

    I have heaps of evidence to support the contrary and now I am being censored in how I can defend myself.

    It is a sad indictment as to Bells profound cynicism of any one who challenges her often absurd assessments.
     
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