A4ever..... Someone who is enlightened? Yes. I don't know. I think there is a form of believe in everything. Science: we must trust the material world. Religion: we must trust a book or our experiences or someone else. If someone said to me I “MUST” trust, I wouldn’t trust them. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Do all good actions cause evil counter reactions? No. Why wasn't a 'better' world created? There are innumerable better worlds, we just happen to be in this one. It would still be tricking us though... not? How can you trick a wise man. Talking about little animals: what should you do when your dog has flees? You can't kill them... Firstly, the idea of keeping cats and dogs as pets (family members), keeping them in the house, sleeping on/in the bed in and out of the kitchen, is not something a serious devotee of God would do. If they kept dogs the dog would serve a practical purpose within its nature, and would be kept out of the house. Fleas only becomes a problem to its owner, when the dog is in the house. Question: what happens in the wild when animals have fleas? But doesn't the bible say that we can eat animals? Somewhere in Genesis? Yes, but under strict conditions. At least animals are sacrificed in there. Again under strict conditions. There is a reason for those conditions, Could you give a definition of mentality? It is a returning word and it seems important. [mentality n 1: a habitual or characteristic mental attitude that determines how you will interpret and respond to situations. What are these few things? What have you done these past 6 months? I’m not trying to evade the question, my intention is for you to realise the answer for yourself. What would be the right punishment? Whatever would truly deter him from committing that act for whatever reason. He may undergo a situation where someone close to him gets killed by someone with a similar mentality, he could get killed and undergo the same fear as he had given out. He may be hanged, gassed or electrocuted the fear of which may be equal to the fear and disruption he caused. He may get a prison sentence long enough for him to attone for his act. There may be many ways he can be punished, but he himself would be the cause of any punishment given. Also I should add that the punishment is only there to rehabilitate the person. Once the person attones for his actions the punishment ceases also, and the person benifits. For some souls their crimes are so heinous and therefore dangerous to people that they are sent to a hell for their rehabilitation. Once their souls are purified they again begin their ascent. Eternal damnation is for souls who have no intention of being rahabilitated, not eternal as in spiritual. If we don't receive all reward in this life, the karmic equilibrum is not set, so we have to come back to receive rewards?? Yes, that is my understanding. Or is the reward not being born again? (makes more sense) The reward would be exactly what you deserve. Not being born again means you have regained you original spiritual body and associate with God in His (Spiritual) Kingdom. That would mean your karmic debt has totally been wiped out. If you're not ignorant, there is always intervention? God is always present, ignorance blocks that. If you locked yourself in a dark room with no vent for light to come through, would it mean that the sunshine is not present? If the devil can manipulate matter, than he could create such beasts of fairy tales, no? He can give the illusion that one has been created, but God is the real creator. You mean unless it has some specific purpose? God is a sentient being, therefore if He likes he is capable of choosing for someone to slip off a cliff. Doesn’t mean He will necessarily, but he can. If He did choose for someone to slip of a cliff, that person, regardless of his condition, his soul would not be reborn in this material, he would be liberated. Are you referring to the fact that this is what most people do? So that in a way it is what the devil wants us to do, focusing on material life? The former. If so, then what is safe? What is there to do? How to fill a day? The first class man spends his whole life serving God, the low class man spends his life serving his senses. And all the grey areas in between. Jezus wasn't defended by God if I remember correctly. He did it all by himself. (just trying to get more information. 4:9 And he said to him, "I will give you all these things if you fall down and worship me." 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Go away, Satan! For it is written: 'You are to worship the Lord your God and serve only him. 4:3 The tempter came and said to him, "If you are the Son of God, command these stones to become bread." 4:4 But he answered,4 "It is written, 'Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.' This may not at a first glance seem like God is protecting His devotee, but what is apparent is Jesus’ lack of fear and yeilding to temptation based on his faith, love and loyalty to his Father. How, by quoting the scripture of his Father. God is Absolute, therefore His words and name is non different to His Self. All bona-fide religions not only have a scripture but a name for God, and they are instructed to chant His name, this is how we can invoke Him. What is real? What are the illusions? It is said that “real” is what lasts eternally and “illusion” is that which is temporary. Example; the soul is real, the body is illusion. That is not to say that the body is not real, it most certainly is. Would you think someone was foolish if they spent loads of their hard earnt cash on renovating a property they were only renting? But that still doesn't mean that what you hear is right. That is why we have human intelligence so we can discriminate between truth and false. Sometimes the farmer is a poor African chap who needs to kill his only cow to feed his starving family. There is no other way to survive. If life depended on it, that is a different matter, it is understandable, but killing cows because little Johnny Mardypants wants a burger now, is unacceptable in a so-called civilized world. And killing them in such a barbaric way and not caring for their spiritual well-being isn’t good for anybody, including the eaters. Many animals are killed in the bible, even for God's pleasure. (sacrifice) Under strict conditions, and the soul of the animal progresses from animal to human in next life. How? Can you give a few examples? How can a lawyer be led to God doing his job? By doing his duty to the best of his ability, by meditating on God, by offering some of his wages to the service of God, so many ways. If he has to lie because his job demands it, then what can he do? This is how this world is organised at present and he has to make a living, also the current world situation demands that one has a lawyer to defend themself in a court of law. Love Jan Ardena.
I already knew that, I shouldn't have asked. What I'm going to do is merge our posts so that I can read it as a text with questions and answers following each other. That way you won't have to answer the same questions over and over again. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! That's true. If you consider the possibility that you were an African sjaman just yesterday, no tricking is possible. Why? We have a ferret. We got him from an asylum. We want to give him a good life, and we do everything we can to make it that way. A ferret would die when put in nature. It is a domestic variant of the bunzing. I live in Belgium, it is too cold to put him outside. Besides, I would still like to pick him up and cuddle him, so we can have no fleas. So are we acting wrong in the eyes of God? Second question: would the intention of wanting to give a ferret a good life make for a karmic equilibrum when having to kill its fleas? Yes... but I meant what this means: You mean that when you can bring yourself to eat cows, this is just a symptom of a mentality that will cause you to do wrong in other areas as well? Then the animal would have a very annoying problem. I don't know if fleas go away after a while. But think about coakroach infested houses, grashopper swarms eating crops,... should we just let that be? I went to classes, studied for the exams, spent my free time with my girlfriend and friends, in july I played way too much Morrowind, in august I spent way too much time on sciforums. I ate and slept. If you meant something else, just ask. I am against capital punishment. Just wanted to say that. I understand the answer. But we couldn't have him killed, that would cause major karmic debt. What is hell? I thought it did not exist. In what way? Does he speak to us? Is he present in the form of a tree, a bird, a kind word? Is there constant guiding? Is he our counscious? Could that illusion be as strong as the illusion of our body? In the sense that it is real, but not eternal? (this is clearly not a religious question, but it is interesting to see such things from a religious point of view.) How would he do that? Can he go see Man in Black II? Can he spend too much time on sciforums Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!)) What I mean: there is this life out there, society. Serving God would be easy in a monastary, where everything points to God. Outside my door, nothing points to God. How are you supposed to transcend that?? That's an inspiring thought, thanks. But God is already always there. Why chant? What do you mean exactly by invoke? Yes. So you mean: do not care to much for material things. Human intellect fails, often and bigtime. Thousands of psychological tests show that. I never heard that name, it is funny. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! AND I do get the point. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Is their a way of killing them, caring for their spiritual well being? I suppose not, but somehow it seemed implied. I will possibly be able to tell you in a few years... note: Thank you for taking the time to answer all my sometimes trivial questions. edit: Why?
Becoming Aware... 1) Have faith only in your own senses and reason. 2) Accept an objective reality. The world does not care about you. 3) Accept that everyone is fallible. 4) Take a hint from physics, try to achieve the lowest energy state. In other words, chill.
I think the Romans started to keep it as a hunter and companion. So yes, you are right. Then I think we're ok in that department. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I suppose that this is also the salvation of all those farmers: many of them really care for the animals, even when killing them, making it quick and painless. But once we realise that, what is there to do? I think you would answer serving God. Which could mean (when taking one book) following in the footsteps of Christ. Then we are freed from the cycle of birth and death. Am I getting good at answering my own questions or what? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! But there are things which are hard to qualify on the karmic scale. You said you went to see MIIB. How did that help you in realising that you are not this body, that you are a spirit-soul, an eternal part and parcel of God? You know I'm not fundamentalistic, I just want to know how everyday life fits in the theological background. (so it would be apreciated if you expanded beyond that one movie Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ) To take it one step further: maybe going to that movie gave you some karmic debt. You paid money to a big corporation. God knows what it does with the money. Making movies like that costs enourmous amounts of money, which could be better spent. Shouldn't we have to boycot absurdities like that? (just provocing answers. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! --- You can think that way about A LOT of things, hence all those questions in the same direction.) It's a good thing. (why? cause that's what's in my heart and what is in there is the reality of the situation?) Yes. I like the particular species. I would not care for a black widow spider to the same extent. (although if the situation was there, I would take care of it if that was possible without getting bitten ->feed it, ...) Mr Ferret? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Of course I get pleasure from it, cause he reacts in a nice way. I think it is safe to say that ferrets need that form of attention. Ferrets cuddle each other, they clean each other etc... they are very social. If they don't get that kind of attention, they get really sad, no kidding. So yes, he benefits from it. He also needs to play, and in the fact that he returns the playing, it shows he likes it. Ferrets play with each other. We read as much as we could before getting him. We mind every possible detail: no straw (the nose!), no milk (they die), things to crawl away in (my girlfriend made a sleeping sack and a cloth that hangs in the cage for him to lie in), fresh water, high quality food (needs more proteins than cats do)... Convinced yet? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Yes, although I realise I will have to let go in 5 to 12 years. Of course if we aimed all our energy in that direction, we could do that, but it is not what we have chosen to do. What should I derive from these answers? I think I've been fairly honest. Please tell me what you think. I understand. There will be minor karmic debt because of the circumstances? What if we eat cow to not stir up social situations? Is this an aspect of the spiritual body? Gratifying senses to reality, as opposed to illusions?
I am still studying to become something that is the equivalent of master in law (which does not mean I can be considered a bachelor, after all, this is Belgium Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ) After that, I may become a lawyer. I think it is the best thing I can do. The sentences would differ. So that answers the coakroach type questions. Yes. I think the Romans started to keep it as a hunter and companion. So yes, you are right. Then I think we're ok in that department. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I suppose that this is also the salvation of all those farmers: many of them really care for the animals, even when killing them, making it quick and painless. But once we realise that, what is there to do? I think you would answer serving God. Which could mean (when taking one book) following in the footsteps of Christ. Then we are freed from the cycle of birth and death. Am I getting good at answering my own questions or what? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! But there are things which are hard to qualify on the karmic scale. You said you went to see MIIB. How did that help you in realising that you are not this body, that you are a spirit-soul, an eternal part and parcel of God? You know I'm not fundamentalistic, I just want to know how everyday life fits in the theological background. (so it would be apreciated if you expanded beyond that one movie Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ) To take it one step further: maybe going to that movie gave you some karmic debt. You paid money to a big corporation. God knows what it does with the money. Making movies like that costs enourmous amounts of money, which could be better spent. Shouldn't we have to boycot absurdities like that? (just provocing answers. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! --- You can think that way about A LOT of things, hence all those questions in the same direction.) It's a good thing. (why? cause that's what's in my heart and what is in there is the reality of the situation?) Yes. I like the particular species. I would not care for a black widow spider to the same extent. (although if the situation was there, I would take care of it if that was possible without getting bitten ->feed it, ...) Mr Ferret? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Of course I get pleasure from it, cause he reacts in a nice way. I think it is safe to say that ferrets need that form of attention. Ferrets cuddle each other, they clean each other etc... they are very social. If they don't get that kind of attention, they get really sad, no kidding. So yes, he benefits from it. He also needs to play, and in the fact that he returns the playing, it shows he likes it. Ferrets play with each other. We read as much as we could before getting him. We mind every possible detail: no straw (the nose!), no milk (they die), things to crawl away in (my girlfriend made a sleeping sack and a cloth that hangs in the cage for him to lie in), fresh water, high quality food (needs more proteins than cats do)... Convinced yet? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Yes, although I realise I will have to let go in 5 to 12 years. Of course if we aimed all our energy in that direction, we could do that, but it is not what we have chosen to do. What should I derive from these answers? I think I've been fairly honest. Please tell me what you think. I understand.
There will be minor karmic debt because of the circumstances? What if we eat cow to not stir up social situations? Is this an aspect of the spiritual body? Gratifying senses to reality, as opposed to illusions? I am still studying to become something that is the equivalent of master in law (which does not mean I can be considered a bachelor, after all, this is Belgium Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ) After that, I may become a lawyer. I think it is the best thing I can do. The sentences would differ. So that answers the coakroach type questions. Yes. To be very honest: sometimes to not feel guilty. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Well, it is a solitary game, but in a way you are right. I talked about it a lot with someone who finished it, we compared,... I try to ditch games, they take too much time and serve absolutely no purpose than to numb my mind. The wasted potential. Pleasure, status and...? But even with two examples I get the point. And I know all this. But what do you do to fill your days? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! What a mentality does the wise man have? He plays no power games? Does he just sit there smiling, letting everything pass? While people insult him? While others take the positions he has a right to? Don't you think it is possible to have a relationship with a woman without just seeking your own pleasure? I certainly aim for that. Isn't that a good thing? A poster with no opinion can't contribute much. (look for posts like this: PIKA! pika? chu! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ) Even at the snap of a finger right? Is this transmigration between two lives OR (what I think) is it depending on one self? Take the yogi: he achieves heavenly pleasure without dieing. Take the fearful person: he creates his own hell. How do you know which music? I can show you lyrics of which I'm pretty sure that God did not inspire them. Also, so many liars and cheats among the 'wise' men. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! And to think I know that word... I understand the idea. Yeah. How many priests would consider reading Bhagavad Gita? Come on! A BLUE God?? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! (I don't yet know if he is described in there as blue, but in pictures he often is.) But this is all changing. I think there are many people who take a broader perspective. That would be interesting. It is safe to say you are a self realised person, no? (don't have to answer that). I don't think you spend hours searching for the right verses to answer my questions. You grasp general ideas and derive from that? Is there still a difference with enlightment? Thanks! ****EDIT****: I couldn't post this in one time, so I had to cut in in 3 pieces. ****EDIT #2****: maybe I broke the longest post record *LOL*
No. I understand what you mean. I will try to listen to them in that way. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Do you think all lyrics can be brought back to God? By the way, one of your sentences is pretty similar to some great lyrics: you wrote: “I am not this body, I am a spirit-soul an eternal part and parcel of God” Tool wrote: This body holding me, reminding me that I am not alone in This body makes me feel eternal. All this pain is an illusion. I have a feeling I already told you this... How exactly? http://www.cowan70.freeserve.co.uk/index/index_conspiracy.htm Have a blast! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I really like stuff like Sesame Street. But I am not trying to debunk your point, cause I get it. There are a lot of those. They should put them on a dvd set: God volumes I to... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I really enjoy movies about the life of Jesus. It makes his life feel more real. I wasn't raised in any religion. I thought the Bible was written in a strange way, it didn't seem like Jesus was a real man. But then I saw a movie which showed his human side. "God, if it is your will, let this pass." It's time to move on to what's beyond the difficult names. Only Arjuna and Krishna were doable. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Yes. I've read seven years, I've read fifteen. Let us hope for the fifteen. I know. At the exams? I passed. So how can we discuss Bhagavad Gita in an interesting way? Thanks!
((Tool is the name of a band.)) I think they tried drugs like lsd and kethamine. They help you realise the multiple universes or something. They obviously read a lot of stuff. They use a lot of eastern symbols and concepts, like the shakras. There is also obvious interest for astronomy and literature. The answer: self realisation. Cool! I'm curious what you listen to. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! No, I'll look for some information on the net. A friend of mine told me that star wars was based on the book the hero with the thousand faces. Of course there are many influences. I know, but sometimes you have to look very good. Take Devil's advocate. Everybody thinks Pacino is so cool as the devil, and he is, but he loses. There is always free will: that was a great message. Sanskrit is a bit like singing. Or maybe they are singing because it is the Gita. Do you mean when I compare myself to the perfect person in the case of the ferret? Thanks! OK, I'll try to read some verses.
A4Ever........ Cool! I'm curious what you listen to. I am a musician, I play most instruments, but my main one is the kit drums. I love all kinds of music, from indigenous Aussie music, to rap, to classical, to rock, to jazz, to the blues, to film scores, to reggea, to ragga, to soca, to marengi, to soul both old and new, to gospel, to music that awakens the soul, almost all kinds. When I don’t like a piece, it is because I cannot feel any expression, or the expression is false, contrived or overdone. Or the expression is excellent, but the content is too distatefull for my liking. So you may well be surprised, beware. A friend of mine told me that star wars was based on the book the hero with the thousand faces. Of course there are many influences. Of course your friend may be right, but the origin of interplanetary war between the good (light) and bad (dark),surely has to lay with the Mahabharata. Everybody thinks Pacino is so cool as the devil, and he is, but he loses. There is always free will: that was a great message. I know what you’re saying, but did you see the look on the devils face, after he had been defeated, he didn’t look too pissed to me, you kinda got the feeling, he’s thinking “you won this time, but I will get you” and breaks out in Vincent Price, Hammer House of horror, blood curdling, fiendish laugh. You said “he loses,” that would imply that his son had won. My personal philosophy on that is there are no winners in this game of life, just varying degrees of losers, you win when the game ends. Sanskrit is a bit like singing. Or maybe they are singing because it is the Gita. You got that right!!! Bhagavad Gita = Song of God. Do you mean when I compare myself to the perfect person in the case of the ferret? Yes, either in the case of the ferret, or just you in general. The standard is very high don’t you think, this was the standard of Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
That's what I call: "the music must be real." So I listen to all kinds of genres, as long as the person bringing it is not faking it. I do add non sensical noise to that, for pure entertainment. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! For example: Wumpscut. Excellent music (if you like that stuff of course) but dead embryo's are not my thing. I was thinking something like that the other day: should we celebrate life as a precious gift, or focus on the fact that it is an illusion and hate it? Celebrate: it is a gift, it is what we wanted,... Hate: it is not real, people die, we can accumulate karmic debt,... Curious about the lyric! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
For example: Wumpscut. Excellent music (if you like that stuff of course) but dead embryo's are not my thing. I’ve never heard of this band, please tell me more. Celebrate: it is a gift, it is what we wanted,... Our problems begin with “what we want” it is not always in our best interest. We are forced to act, there is never a moment when we are inactive. Our actions, I believe, are basically of two kinds, lamenting or hankering, if we don’t get what we hanker for then we lament, this builds and builds until we leave the body, and then, according to some philosophies, we carry on where we left off in another body, suitable to our desires. So in essence, life is a gift, no matter which way we look at it, to understand it the right way i.e. God consciousness, it is the greatest gift. But to understand it in a selfish way, it can be a bit of a bugger. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Hate: it is not real, people die, we can accumulate karmic debt,... I believe life is very real, what is not real, are the things we lament and hanker for. It is because of this illusion we accumulate karmic debt. Nature isn’t designed to be a comfortable ride, things are made hard for a purpose. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Hate is a negative and limiting emotion, it serves about as much purpose as trying to type a novel in complete darkness (hate being the darkness). You would make mistakes typing that novel, and you would make serious life errors acting hatefully. I think the first lesson we have to learn, is to love “unconditionally.” Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! See if you can work this out. (I bet its real easy for you) Hard=easy and easy=hard. Curious about the lyric! In due time, just mustering up the vibes. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! CHeck pm! Love Jan Ardena.
Is Hate just living in those destructive forces? Is Hate a living force? And If Hate is force does that not mean one could use its energy to nourrish him self?
Is Hate just living in those destructive forces? In what destructive forces? Is Hate a living force? The living force is the person. If a person becomes consumed by ignorance, then the ignorance will appear as a living force, a bit like when someone wears a pair of trousers, the trousers acts like the legs. And If Hate is force does that not mean one could use its energy to nourrish him self? I think when in such a state, that we are compelled to hate, then we have already become nourished In a sense use hatred to fuel a darker awakening? Such as? Love Jan Ardena.
Is it natural in the universe to have have destruction? It is all around us just as creation. Could this be a source of energy? Granted but hatred does not mean ignorance, those lost in hatred may know exactly what they do the pain they cause but still they may be aware. Would awerness realy make the destinction betwwen Manevolent and Benevolent? Essentialy does one who has awakend just wake up and understand?Would it depend soley onthe conclusions the now waked sleeper makes? Uhh I don't get it could you rephrase it for me? If it takes simply a large amount of energy to become an immortal then could you draw it from a way of manevolence and not a way of benevolence? I am in know way certain of this or anything.
Is it natural in the universe to have have destruction? It is all around us just as creation. Could this be a source of energy? You are right, but this type of destruction has nothing to do with hate, as you say it is natural. Granted but hatred does not mean ignorance, those lost in hatred may know exactly what they do the pain they cause but still they may be aware. But that is not “knowledge,” that is just ignorance. A kills B because B looked at his girlfriend a bit too long, think of all the things A didn’t see, before committing his act. Would awerness realy make the destinction betwwen Manevolent and Benevolent? Using the example of A and B, yes I think so. Essentialy does one who has awakend just wake up and understand? You have to be more specific in your question. Awakened to what/who? What do you mean in this regard, “essentially?” Wake up from what? Understand what? Uhh I don't get it could you rephrase it for me? You asked, And If Hate is force does that not mean one could use its energy to nourrish him self? I answered, I think when in such a state, that we are compelled to hate, then we have already become nourished I don’t think there is a natural dark force, but a neutral and natural force. I think force exists because the supreme force exists (God), and that portion of force which is allotted to man, to utalise within their own existence, is consciousness (life). Therefore if ones consciousness is consumed with lust, anger, greed and envy, then all their expression of force will have that signature. Lust, anger, envy and greed is the cause of hatred. If it takes simply a large amount of energy to become an immortal….. What do you mean? I am in know way certain of this or anything. Are you not certain of anything? Love Jan Ardena.
I am talking about the emotional energy of passion since love and hatred are realy just examples of passion. People draw power from love just has hatred. Ignorance and hatred are not he same thing. Hatred is a passion, Ignorance is having un-concsious mind. Never said it was but it is a path that one can choose to walk. But if you are concsious knowledge comes with out effort. What conclusion are made really depend on the concsiousness that dreams it up. Even if A new the all factor he may still choose to kill B. Even if the truth is known there still is choice. Can you tell the difference between good and evil? Does good or evil really exist out side our preseptions is it an inffallible [/B]truth[/B]? Why? If I knew I would tell you. The truth is beyond though so how can we concieve it with our litereary minds? Lust, Greed and Envy to me are just more exaples of passions that if not tended to will lead one furth away from the truth. The immortals thing is a whole other topic but in a nut shell I mean one has created a spirts body. (Blah BLah Blah Golden pill etc...) In the realm of the universe not at all. My entire mind is recompiled every day it is in constant state change to hold on to one state would only be foolish. But in my own life there are some thing I Trust in. (Ei: myself, my lover...)
